do opinion openers work well in really loud clubs?

because for me they are not doing well in loud areas (or maybe i'm doing something wrong).

I find that for any opener in a loud club you have to have a very strong, effective voice. It's also best to use the opinion opener on smaller sets (2-4) as it requires some thought from the target and the rest of her group in order to give you the answer and interest you are looking for.

For me, opinion openers work best in loud clubs after you've already actually opened them.

I have good success with opinion openers for some reason, but it's almost always during day game.

I've noticed that opinion openers suck for night game and are good for day game.

Sure, you have to have a strong presence and be loud for night game, but even then an opinion opener is asking for too much immediate investment from the girls. During the day, it isn't so much of an investment of effort to think about the dynamics between a dude and his jealous girlfriend who wants him to burn pictures of him and his ex that she found under his bed, but in a club there are too many BETTER things to do, like dancing and state/BT pumping.

Openers (and everything else, I believe) during night game should be short and sweet, having a girl invest EMOTION rather than THOUGHT.

Here's an idea

I need your opinion, is stupid or already been done.
How a about forget 'opinion openers', and use
'can i borrow your brain for a minute' openers.
Or is that just dumb?

Its unpredictable (abit funny) and has a time constraint.
I think this would work better in clubs.

(Or you could just do what i do and ask stupid questions)

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direct opener, after needs to be followed up by something good.
There were few chumps in the corner staring at you, so i thought ill make there day. <- Just made it up comments appreciated

It's usually better to wait for names make her want to tell you her name don't just ask for it it looks like ur just trying to pick her up.

hey mr silly... we are not discussing those tactics here, just opinion openers in loud clubs. and how the hell would she ask your name if you didnt open first?

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And am also not discussing direct openers here.... so am not looking for the best direct opener, because i know they can work as well..
although you can state here that you think direct openers are better for this kind of environment than opinion openers and discuss that...

i think the "who lies more, men or women" is one of the easiest opinion openers in loud clubs...
but any opinion opener cannot be used in direct form: you cant just walk to directly to a girl out of nowhere and expect to do an opinion opener while showing disinterest... you already opened directly by walking towards her and thus already showing interest... opinion openers only work by saying them over your shoulder with disinterested bodylanguage... like over your shoulder at the bar to a girl who's waiting for her drink anyway: hey... who lies more... men or women...?

i think most people get confused by using an opinion opener in the wrong place: when they actually open direct (by walking towards her)...

but i'm talking about using the opinion opener in the right way *over your shoulder* or *on somebody who you stumbled upon by accident*

for me it doesnt work that well in loud clubs even with the right angle and the right (disinterested) bodylanguage

what about you guys?