In comparison with 6 months ago I was a real KJ, but... that was enough and since than I might have been on this forum for 3 times, cause I saw, that posting up here while totally unexperienced means shit. So I started going out, big time.
But I really don't get it, how guys like Chief, Skills, Warped, Jav and other should I say pretty decent at it get laid consistantly, I mean don't get me wrong, I don't hate you guys and from what I've read like a year ago you are all pretty balanced and normal people.
I just don't know, what is that leap between like going from little more than bad to decent.
I'm definitely doing something wrong, cause here's the thing... it's not like I'm not trying, I'm approaching like every way possible, but nothing really gave descent results, so yeah even the numbers game failed ironic ha and I know, that my approaching probablly isn't so different from yours, cause imo even the times, that come in friendly and say Hi, I should get a good responce at least 1/10 right?

I know that the question I'm about to ask is probablly pretty stupid, cause EVERYONE on this forum asked it and it's definitely eating your brains out, but... can you give just a hint, like what makes you pretty decent at it.

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This isn't mathematics, don't put your trust in the numbers.

It's not about how many times you have to fail in order to succeed.

It's about how you analyze your failure and put tweaks in your game for the next approach. If you approach and approach consistently, but don't actually look back at the approach and spot the mistakes/possible improvements - then what the hell is the point? You're running around like a clown doing absolutely no favors to yourself or the girls.

This is why the forums can be helpful. Write field reports if you're not capable of understanding where you went wrong, why you went wrong, and how to fix the mistake in time for the next approach.

This is the most crucial step in getting better at this.

Well, thats about it.

There are 2 ways of getting laid consistently:

1. Get your game up to a great level.

2. Get a girlfriend.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I would say crack this one up to non neediness,

once you realize it is about your goal, and not about your ego, you will start seeing more consistant results,

do you want to go out and not get rejected, and have girls say nice things to you, do you cling to that one girl that is saying nice things and don't escalate on her, because you don't want her to reject you?

or do you want to have sex with a girl in under a week?, and move every interaction you have towards having sex?, or starting a relationship?, exactly how much effort do you put into pursueing your goals?

from what I have seen, the difference between people that have actual experience, and those that do not, is some predication on the idea of perfect game, or that you can get every girl out, or you can turn dis-interest into interest, it is all a waste of time,

find girls that like you, escalate, if you hit a road block, move on and repeat, if the roadblocks re-emerge, try to pass the old point of no return, persist without needing a specific end result from a specific target, make the goal sex, not getting that one girl, eventually you will have consistant results once you become more efficent at screening girls for what you want,

if you are seeing poor results, then improve yourself, your game can be tightened up, but if you don't have the basics and can't execute the very borderline fundamental of moving things towards an end, then you will find things get stagnant fairly often

figure out what you want, figure out how to screen for it, if they don't offer what you are looking for, don't be needy for women because of how they look, move on and search else where

if you can have sex with 1/10 girls you approach, you are doing good in my opinion

there is nothing drastically special you have to do, just be friendly and likable, have respect for yourself, express your sexuality, and move things in direction you want them to go in (either sex, or boyfriend, or friends that fuck, or friends, either way, try to make it happen and act in a way that expresses your intentions clearly)

it all gets to a yes or a no, and the sooner you get to that answer, the sooner you can move on with your life and either have a girlfriend, a fb, a ons, a new friend or cut loose a waste of time in the search for something more suiting to your goals

efficency and motivation, will drive you to success, in-action and an inability to be confident in grasping what you want will leave you stalled out and procrastinating

figure out what you want, and how to get it, the actively go out and take it,

success comes to those that seek it

GOOD LUCK

Treat this forum as an ordinary get together with your college buddies over bottles of beer. You may get an insight here and there but you have to think critically to separate the bullshit from the gems.

Not all who says here that they are getting laid actually get laid consistently as they want you to believe. One indicator is a person's anger and aggressiveness. Professional fighters are not allowed to get laid one month before the fight most especially when big money is involved. This is to keep their testosterone levels up. Getting laid calms down people's nerves. They have happier, more laid back dispositions. Hence, alpha male gorillas in jungles have more females to mate with because their testosterone levels are higher than anyone else. Nature keeps these alpha males calm and peaceful by getting them laid.

Stick to your own goals and don't get rattled if someone here claims that he has bedded 300, 500, or 1,000 women. You have to take all these with a grain of salt.

I used to get rattled too and insecure when I go out over bottles of beer with my college buddies. I have this buddy of mine who's a natural with women tell stories that made Rocco Siffredi look inept in his career expertise.

One day, I got hired in the same company where he goes to and we worked on a deal together. We got an important paper signed and the boss was too happy with the result that he hired the best looking call girls, who are college students btw, to 'entertain' us.

We stayed in the same hotel room together so we literally fucked where each of us can see each other. Less than three minutes into my fuck routine (I measure the time through the music playing at the background), I caught him and her partner watching us. He was through already while I was not done yet. In short, I ended up giving him pointers on how to fuck methodically.

Don't get pressured about what other people are saying in this forum. Just stick to your goals and how to improve. Getting laid consistently should be the least of your concerns. It will come and it will rain with pussy in all forms and sizes.

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Try daygame man. Girls at night have more of a shield on and are a bit harder to approach.

you can be kj, as long as you also take massive action and go out and sarge constantly... See here is the problem and the same happens in biz, working out,martial arts etc... People just see a rich man, they go "oh shit that guy is so lucky look how rich he is", they do not know the guy started as a dishwasher, went bankrupt 3 times, work 16 hours a day etc... They just see the end result... wowowow that guy is lucky he has the right genetics... He does not see the sacrificies he made to eat 6 times a day, wake up before going to work to workout like a madman...It takes a lot of work and years of failure and mediocracy and dissapointments, like the one you are going through right now... By the way, right now there is all this methods and technology, you got the work cut out big time. When i started, the was not a community, there was no internet, no cellphones, no facebook, just beepers. As long as you are approaching you are succeeding, keep approaching and good things will happen, baby steps, stop going for the big payout, make sure you learn from your interactions, even if you fail i hope you are learning what does not work. There is no magic answer or formula, the problem i have is all these methods and system over promise crazy shit, including some posters here...

I will advise you to get a book call "minimal game" by aaron sleazy and then
"60 years of challenge" all of this while you are sarging, while working out or driving listen to the rsd free tour stuff, every day, go to youtube and see the "simple pick up crew" i like those kids...

Stop being so hard on yourself you are doing good "most guys here do not even approach".... Lay count is overrated, let me give you an example: you fuck 50 girls, you can fuck your gf 50 times in a 3 months and gain that experience... Anyway this is not a pissing contest... So skills why did you lay a lot? cause i did not settle, i was looking for the right girl for me, and even thought i had gfs(main girl i callled it) i knew the was no future with them, so i kept them till i found something better, it took me a while to find a game changer, i am a big believer on 60 yoc girlfriend/relationship system but with a twist. With that being said having a gf or main girl or women in your life,like ezo says gives you a tremendous advantage(abundance mentality) and you will help you a lot in your game, cause you are not needy and outcome dependent(no attachment mindset)... keep approaching, keep getting experience, and take baby steps... Things that could help you right away: dress style, working out, tanning, speak deep and kind of loud,escalating fast(do not play it safe), being sexual....Do not talk much, do not try to impress her... try this:

Hey i am kupid, who are you? and extend your hand, her name....Simple this a simple opener, rsd uses this a lot..

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Its hard to know what your doing wrong without seeing you in action but it would help if you reply with a general outline of what you been doing and how you go about trying to pick up women.

Also, start a journal.

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You may be going in circles ... again we don't know how you are executing these methods or what you are doing wrong or right... so hook us up with details and specifics.

But basically, "The definition of Insanity is when you do the same thing again and again and expect something different."

Therefore, try something different and focus on your journey. Whether it takes you months of painful rejection, keep trying, have an open mind, try different ways to interact with girls, don't be afraid to ask help on this forum, and continuously to get experience by consistently gaming!

The first 1000 girls, you approach and interact with, don't count ^_^ ... I'm sure you will improve then!

Sincerely,

Donston

ps: Learn from your mistakes and then move on. Don't forget about the positive things you are doing/did!

Then he isnt a KJ. A KJ is someone who just pretends to know game online while he doesnt have any real life experience.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Do you just leave after you get what you perceive to be a bad response?

Have you tried being more persistent and staying in there until you get directly rejected?

Are you projecting a psychological expectation for women to respond negatively to your approaches?

I can't speak for the rest of the people you listed, but one thing that really helped me was constantly writing detailed field reports. The benefits are plenty.

i started reading this forum and other pua material (Bobby Rio) about three years ago. i was terrible with girls. i had no idea how to flirt or talk with them. i was scared to death of hot chicks. after reading some of this stuff for a bit i still didnt have the confidence to do it. but the more i read the more i understood, its one thing to learn all of this stuff and then actually do it. a year ago i decided to just do it and approach girls using some of the tips ive read on here. after about 6 months of struggles, i only hooked up with one girl in that period, i started getting a little better and more comfortable. i got rejected quite a bit but i was happy i started actually doing it. i have friends who when we go out all they do is talk about the hot girls at the bar but never have the balls to go talk to them. i used to be that guy, now im no master at this stuff but after practicing for a long time, i can say ive truly gotten much better. for the past couple of months ive taken numerous girls home. its not about how you look, how much money you have or what you drive, it's about your personality, confidence and how you interact with women. if you can flirt and tease and hold a convo it's amazing how far that will go

That depends on the demographic he's trying to pull.

College age kids will be more relaxed, the opposite is true for the mid-40's single soccer mom.

But, then again, why go for the ones that will just flop on the bed without any fight? Kinda takes the fun out of the conquest...

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I'll say it like that it all sounds good in theory but practical world is something very different not just from the PUA perspective, but also in other ways of learning a new thing.

So I went out nightgame and daygame and I learned a few things that are probably very helpful, thank you guys for pointing that out , before I probably didn't even paid attention to those things.
Yap I saw that, if learned anything that's probably it LIST YOUR FUCKING MISTAKES. When I open a set, I say the opener (off my mind), but it seems like my voice starts to crack, my BL isn't relaxed and it seems like I radiate fear (my smile is toooooo big and I'm really not sure into what I'm talking), cause I still have decent amount of AA. But the solution to this would probably be to have something prepared as an opener (cause I didn't had any), say it however, whatever and focus on speaking deeply, loudly and this might seem stupid: not listen to what she sais, so I won't even have the chance to look for a proper response. So yeah that observation part is helping
That is somtehing that really stands out with me, like everything I do is hardcore, cause I learned that 5 years ago, when I started to train TKD, it fucking hurts, you get smacked, you get knocked down, you're tired, you're in pain, but nobody is there to pick you up, you gotta do it yourself, that's why I think for myself that I have a pretty decent life (my faculty grades are mostly A's, I make enough money through student work to treat myself well, I have a quite helpful friends…), the same thing goes with pick-up, the only thing that holds me down here is fear (because when I'm super drunk there's no problem ) I don't know from where I feel that fear, cause I'm pretty used to it, when I step into ring, but it's like when I'm talking to girls I'm a whole different person, I have pretty expanded social circle and I don't have these problems in there, but when I'm out that changes drasticaly, my head goes blank and I usually say the first shit that comes to my mind, so the solution to that would probably be, to run a canned game (not Mystery game, but I got my own canned stuff) for a first few minutes, although I don't prefer canned game, cause you can't get a full swing with that, but it's a useful tool too.

Sometimes, but I try to stick with it, for like a minute and so far I haven't really got any results but I'll try more.
Sadly yes, I saw that last night and that flinch it's like a blood in the water and they can smell it, anyone has any good thoughts on how to handle this, cause I tried to hide it (with a smile, I know I'm a dumbass ). Like I said that comes with the fear and it's like hardwired.

BTW I forgot to tell you guys what environment I come from. So down here it's like this, my country is like in a full swing towards western way of life, that's why a huge impact on girls is from reality shows like BB, Top model, Talents… and that makes everything a bit difficult, cause they are really like trying to social proof themselves to the world by being, well… ego pumped by other people, like for example guys who approach them and they like don't even see or talk to them them eventhough it's in front of their faces. So yeah dreams about being superstars with no work involved started to showing up That's why most of the girls are attracted to guys who drove BMW M6, have a thick wallet and are ugly as fuck which is really sad, cause usually it isn't about the guy and the bitch, but families get torn apart.
The other thing is probably that most of the guys down here are nice guys, but they have big balls (not really), cause for weekends we all get wasted like it's gonna be apocalypse on Sunday and everybody thinks that they pimped the world, you do the math nice guy+alcohol (a lot of it)=WTF. Girls have heard pretty much every sweet/creepy shit possible.

But it isn't all that bad, you can game during the day, if you're super chilled, slow and socialy reasonable (that's why direct didn't worked nor for me or for my friends), also I think you get better quality girls during the day cause let's face it, an awesome medicine student isn't going to be at the club drunk wasted when she has a midterm on Monday. But we all know that asking for ''directions'' isn't leading anywhere

And that swing is missing me, from like open to a bit more interested conversation, like I just didn't figured that part out. Also I've noticed on myself that, altough I approach girls, I could do more of that, it's not a complete 0, but it's also not close to a 100 (metaphorically speaking not numeric). I mean, maybe that has been the problem (altough I seriously doubt it, cause me and few of my friends are in the game for like a bit over a year, all at the pretty same lvl and our cobined score is like… 0).

I'll try that part with observations first to see how that works out, if it does I'm buying you guys a beer, if it doesn't well I'm gonna ask you forward.

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Good post