well, sorry its to do with my favorite HB SPAM....
Since we were introduced we have only been able to talk via IM and things are going really well, however, she is easily a HB9 but also a very high value girl. She is an international athete and a straight A student aswell as friendly fun and all those things.

This means if we were spending all this time in person, i would neg her a little, kino lots and PUSH PULL a hell of a lot. Now, negging her is really the only thing that transfers to IM easily.... the problem is i cant even follow up with a DHV very well since all the storys about me being on the national bball team doesnt work that great, she is in the same position.

My question is, since we are both really busy SPAM our day 2 isnt going to be for a while, how is the best way to keep this interesting fun and most importantly out of the LJBF zone?
(note so far i have been running on C&F with stuff like the cube, 3 second question game etc just to build from the inital attraction i had and secure comfort...... no way to get seduction from IM as far as i am aware :S) and if i am honest, this girl is giving me a run for my money, most girls i can get from a C&F start + the national bball + my natural looks and simple things, she isnt getting sold.... its really hard getting her to invest anything into me other than time..... I am not to worried, since the person who introduced us has told me because of her comittments she has blown off every other guy who has come onto her (or at least thats her excuse)

/madals

-make sure you are able to transition into the topic of sex online.
-IM her randomly and say "make me feel better"
-tell her the Day2 plan to keep her interested in the Day2
-open up online and talk about yourself in an interesting way. ex: "I use to be a super baseball allstar in middle school, then I got kicked in the nuts by a really cute girl and fell in love with her. Bet that never happened to you HB9"
-open her up and get her talking about her values and you talk about yours aswell. Plan for conflict of values then reframe the conversation to something with a strong commonality.

If you want to be a good PUA drop all this heavy MM/C&F. Pick up some other shit while you're ahead. Or figure out who you are.

You just DLV'd by calling her a high value girl. Destroy that mentality and pertend she's a really fucking ugly girl with warts all over her vagina. The only reason you're trying to build attraction and comfort with her is bc you made a 1 million dollar wager with a AFC.

If all these are done LJBF should not even come to mind. Unless you're already there. IMO LJBF doesn't exist.

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Its definatly not LJBF yet, i am still going strong. I am not a big MM fan, i just like his model of attraction (the basic one, attraction, comfort, seduce... its a nice basic order to go by) and i totally disagree about C&F, it works wonders while ur still new... people just tend to over cook it a lot. as for things like the cube, i use that mainly because i find it a brilliant way to very quickly work out a girl and a lot about her life, especially after you explain it they oftern open up to you and then u got emotional investment.

And as for DLVing about her being high value, i just mentioned that online. I ddont treat her as one .
I havent brought up the topic of sex online yet simple because i dont want to bring up her past eperiences yet, without getting strong attraction from her.
/madals
p.s thanks tho besch, lots of good stuff there

Personally I avoid being cocky at all costs. I'd rather be sweet/funny. According to Juggler- being cocky creates a challenge between yourself and the target. You should want a challenge with the target, but your role should be judge, not competitor.

Honestly you don't need to be funny or serious, you must adjust your actions and tonality towards the conversation. Since you are the PUA; you choose the direction of the conversation, and you choose to remain C&F you will never get to open up the conversation that requires different tonalities and moods, only C&F. Sex is a serious topic and you really should open up the topic with her ASAP. I never said ask her questions about HER sexlife, talk about yours. Men speak their minds. If you cant tell her your values then she will dominate you with hers.

Don't take this personally but if you are going strong, then why ask for advice?

If you want to remain out of the LJBF zone then change the attitude of the conversation from what friends talk about to what lovers talk about. It's your reality and frame. This requires a serious conversation of sex and ex-relationships, what you like in the bedroom and what you are good at. You must make her curious and want to explore what she can do with you in the bedroom. As a PUA you must not be afraid to explore waters and bring up what you want to talk about with her.

As for now, bring up sex with her, tell her what you want in a woman, tell her your awesome plan for your Day2 so she doesn't flake on you, and stay solid and show a wide range of conversational skills while on IM with her.

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And as for you not wanting to bring up the topic of sex unless you get the validation of getting a strong attraction from her, that is a completely terrible way to go with PU. You are using her attraction towards you as a crutch. If you need validation from the girl that she is attracted to you before you can talk to her about sex then you will never improve your conversational and inner game skills as a PUA if you continue to do this. Break the habit while you're ahead. Fearless should be one of the words that describes a PUA.

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Again good advice besch, thanks. And as for why i am asking if its going strong, i think tbh its the same reason i am waiting to get solid attraction from her before i start bringing up sex.... i think i am getting to into her! *slaps self*. However, not to worry i will just re frame and continue into normal me.
As for my use of C&F, like i said it was only when we meet really.
Again tho thanks for the advice i'll take it on
/madals

Also remember the main point of DHVing is to separate you from AFC's. Just because you may not be able to show higher value than what she has doesn't mean you can't still be much higher value than all her options.

Given this, still don't THINK of her as having high value.

if this aint the right place for this question my bad. but seriously I need your views on this senario.

senario 2

this beautiful gurl on a scale of 8.5+. I saw her profile on face book and I wrote her "stop that" in the subject and "we all know that is not your picture so stop fulling us guys..." technique by david deangelo.

the following is copy and paste of actual convo

she replied "excuse me"

me: Oh. I was just curious. Don't worry it looks nice. While I have your attention, I need a female's prespective on something......Say, this guy is dating this girl, and she goes out with her friends, has a few drinks and ends of making out with a random guy at the bar.....Would you consider this cheating?

her: Well dating some one is alot different frm havin a relationship with someone-so i wouldnt call that cheatin as such.....

me: Interesting.....okay, let me ask you this......Take the same scenario, but this time the girl is making out with another girl, and lets say she does this almost every time she goes out.....would you consider that cheating?

her: hmmmm, no, i wouldn't call that cheating! maybe if its something he finds a turn on then maybe he should ask if he could join in???

me: ha ha ha ur hlarious. he odes find it a turn on but he finds it wierd aswell. never know she might be a les... I told him to get things straight and ask her wat her problem was. they've bn out 4 six months. oh and your not a les am hopin.

her: nooooo way lol!! it is abit weird for her to go n do that everytime shes out!

SO FAR SO GUD RIGHT? WRONG THIS IS THE REPLY I MANAGED TO FUCK IT UP WITH. IT'S AS FOLLOWS

ME: lol. I mean I understand if she goes out ends up kissing cute guys like me but avarege guys??? and females??? that's a bit wierd. oh and your single aren't you? great! in that case hmmmmm, sud I give u a chance? ...
wat the hell
I have live msn. **********@hotmail.co.uk
lets see if ur as interesting as your good looks.

and then responses stoped. how did I fuck up? any comments will do

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Shit. I'm in a similiar place as Madals. Although I'm not a national BBall player, I do have the good looks, awesome personality, and I do have cool ass job, but I'm stuck trying to slowly game an amazingly awesome girl via email. I'm overseas currently, and she's in the states. She's no-kidding-on-any-level wife material, but it will be a little while before I make my grandiose return to the US. My "live" game is nearly perfect in almost any setting, but this is my first attempt to not only NOT have this girl lose interest, but also advance myself in her eyes, ALL via long distance (email and such).
I suck at computers, but I am a decent writer/storyteller (and I've got some awesome stories), so how is it possible to advance things on long distance terms. Madals, I truely feel for you on this, and I wish you well. This shit is torture. If she was in front of me, this would be no kidding easy as clubbing a baby seal.
The only reason I post this here is I feel that any answer to Madals's/my situation can be simultaneously used for the other.
**NOTE** I currently correspond with five other women (spanning three continents), with whom I have no intention of anything more than a casual relationship, therefore I'm fairly nonchalant when talking to them. I KNOW I could (and most likely will) meet up with them in the future (and F-close), so maybe that's a key to the correspondence? The wife-material girl is in a different basket, i.e. I haven't "conquered" her yet (possibly adding to the anxiousness). Shit, is this what it's like when people get oneitis? This sucks.

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