I notice that many "naturals" have 2 or more sisters in their family whom they are very close with. They've had the opportunity to grow with women and know them on a much deeper level without any sexual attraction clouding their minds and so these guys can go out in the world and speak to women so much more easily without any fear of the "unknown".

I grew up with one older sister and we never got along so I never really got to know her as we grew up. I think this plays a major factor into my inexperience with women.

What's your story?


[i wanted to make this a poll, but i can't figure out how]

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-Murdoc

i have 2 sisters and im no natural

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Its not failure, its a learning challenge.

I've got a sister, but more importantly i've always had quite alot (well did have) of female friends.
I think this really does help, if you know what women are really like, know how to act natural around women and feel comfortable, and know how to have a laugh with women you've got a head start.
My problem was i'd treat the women i fancied like friends and did'nt have a clue what to do, and could'nt even spot the most obvious IOI.

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To effectively communicate, we must realise that we are all different in the way we percieve the world and use this understanding as a guide to our communication with others.

I have 2 sisters and I used to suck with woman. I was much more comfortable talking to guys throughout my entire youth up until about 4 years ago. Now Im much more comfortable talking to woman and get very uncomfortable around guys sometimes.

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"The man that cares the least wins"

I think I read or heard this somewhere (with that being said, idk if it's true) that statistically the more siblings you have, the more socially aware you become, and the more sexual partners you'll have during your lifetime.

From personal experience, I always remember the "only-children" in grade/middle school and how they were always introverted and quiet. Obviously if you have lots of brothers and sisters you become more socially adept because you're forced to live and interact with them and their friends. I've also noticed that a lot of my friends who had one or two older siblings ended up much more popular than myself in school (I'm the first child of three) because they're living with older children who have experienced relatively the same things, can pass on advice, and know what's cool or what's not ahead of time (plus they make fun of you mercilessly if you do something lame).

Anyway, there's always exceptions to these statistics and I'm sure that most of us here are (I mean, that's why we're here).

Unrelated note - I can already tell my little brother is going to be a huge stud/player because he has me as a role model haha

Guy I know grew up with woman his whole life. He doesn't have male friends and acts like a wussy chick. No doubt about it he's 100% gay. Every guy I know doesn't like him, including me (I don't have a problem against gay people though I just don't like the way HE acts). No, I don't believe in this topics theory.

I have no sisters. Grew up with no female friends until late HS.
But I did have a very close and tight relationship with my mom. I mean we talk about sex to drugs and all that shit.
I had few alpha male friends and no relationship with my father.

My outcome?
For the girls that gave me the chance I could create an incredible emotional connection with them. I could crack them and open them up.

I can pick up women body language and I know what they mean by what they say.

I am way to emotional and I get needy in relationships. I depend on girls and I put value on things a girl does too, for example sex.

My body language was like a girls before I came into the game.

I thought like a girl, so I could get into a girls head, but when the time came to lead I crashed and burned.

I really do believe that your game comes from how you grow up though. Your upbringing, family structure, and culture. If your dad is the shit, you;ll pick up on it and imitate it. Children have a tendancy to learn from there parents and take there roles.

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I'm addicted to facing my fears.

Ok get this: I'm an only child, went to an all boys school from grade four onwards and was brought up in a fairly strict environment until after highschool So, yeah I was pretty screwed up for a while. Needless to say I had heaps of guy friends but hardly any girl friends.

That all changed after I went to uni and had to live away from home. I started reading up on gaming and it took me years to get rid of all the social conditioning and change things arround. Its a lot better these days but I'm still a bit introverted at times -still working on it.

So yeah, the way you are brought up and the things you experience do have a lot of impact on how you game. But it is definitley possible to tansform yourself

on the subject of siblings effecting yourself, what i have noticed isn't so much just the number of siblings but whether or not they are older or younger.

i can't speak for middle children, but the oldest always (imo) seemed to be a little more immature compared to others of the same age and the youngest would be overall more mature than similar aged people. now whether or not this continues into adulthood i can't say, but i feel that the optimum setup for a male for picking up ladies would be a older brother, a middle sister, him being the youngest, a real motherly mom and a dad who is the man.

That's my little brother, spot on. And he's had girl friends and girlfriends since kindergarden and up to now, i junior high. If anyone I know (except me, of course ) is going to become a real ladies man when he reaches adulthood, it's him. *proud*

I don't know if this one example proves this, but I'm pretty sure you have a point here. Being the youngest of three makes you socially adapt sooner, as well as not being overlooked in a horde of siblings. A real stereotype mom can help you become more trusting and less scared of women in general. And it's in our nature to pick up on what our fathers do, so him being a real confident, successful and hardworking man obviously helps.

On a sidenote, I think it may be of importance how old you are compared to your siblings. The older they are compared to you, the less I think you adapt to them, and the less they "meddle in" and shape how you become when you grow up. One sibling being 2-3 years older, and the oldest being 4-5 years older I think would be the ideal.

... not that your upbringing is decicive on how secure and successful you can be with women though. It's a major factor on how much of a "natural" you are. But I strongly believe (without being an expert PUA) that's is all about the mindset. If you want it strongly enough, and if you make the changes and adaptions necessery in your life... and if you're determined and at the same time cool about the whole situation anyhow it turns out, you can make it work

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- FAILING from time to time will always be inevitable. Come to terms with failure knocking you down, and make sure you never let it keep you down. Then, SUCCEEDING will become inevitable!
tigr

o, don't get me wrong... this isn't from one example, observing all of my classmates and their family structures and how they act/react to the environment and any given situation has led me to this theory.