Hey what's up guys? There's this girl that i met she ALWAYS fixes/touches her hair...preens like a mofo...i can't even tell the difference when she's talking to me or being silent a few chairs down. So that's a IOI that i can't count on, anyway.

This is very obvious..she pointed out how she is very health conscious, and then proceeded to talk about how she "looked". So then i said "wait wait, i don't think it's so much that you're worried about your overall health, you just want to look good". She half heartedly denied her vanity but w/e..it's very obvious that she's insecure about her appearance and i THINK also her mental capacity...she would keep throwing out random facts she "heard" or "read" somewhere..but if i were to question her about it she would be lost. Point is..she's insecure.

My first question:

She's not a bad looking girl so i'm SURE there's guys that tell her "oh ur so pretty" and shit..so i'm not sure if i should go down that path or not.

Second question:

Say i'm talking to a good looking girl who KNOWS she's good looking...and after negging and letting her know her looks won't get far with me...is it possible after a few blows to her appearance to THEN comment on any physical trait? Granted i won't say nice tits...and i don't wanna use the typical "you have nice eyes". So what are some things i can use to raise her value in my eyes so she doesn't think i'm just an asshole?

Thanks guys!

Hey Slyder,
What I'm about to tell you might seem counter intuitive, but I think it's the best route for the insecure girl. First of all, I'm sure you are right about guys trying to compliment this girl to gain attraction. However, if I were you and I was trying to game this girl I would attract her with simple playful banter. Don't even make her physical appearance an issue in the interaction. Simply validate her behavior that is "cute" when you role play with her. I like Cajun's line "Oh my god, you are so cute. I'm going to adopt you as my little sister and we are going to climb trees and drink kool aid together." That shit is money.

As for the other girl you neg about appearance, my solution is don't try to elicit sexual tension with a neg at first. Rather, compliment her on her behavior after she qualifies herself and then immediately throw her a disqualifier or bring her in with a playful hug and tell her how cute she is for being "try hard" to gain your approval after she qualifies herself.

yeah i get you...it does seem smarter to make it as though her personality is firstly appealing THEN her physical self.

With an insecure girl...by commenting on her personality you are raising her value/making her feel good b/c although she may not feel secure about her looks, having her personality shine through that may make her feel even better.

I have a real problem complimenting girls who ARE secure with their physical appearance, even in my complete AFC days i would make it a point never to mention their looks b/c i HATED giving those girls that ego boost....since so many stupid guys have already done that which CAUSED their over-sized ego.