Your definition of a "strong frame"



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:33 am 
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Hey what's up guys? Some days i find myself being able to talk, talk, talk... conversations just seem to flow naturally...but other days i'm just at a loss for words (at my job now and girl just came up to me and i had a LAME ASs convo...i'm such an asshole) ..anyway.

I really feel that if i'm not talkative that day or don't seem all energetic and witty....that i lose MAJOR points with anyone who has seen me like that before. At times...i rather not be all "fun" and cocky funny..and just prefer to have a straight conversation. In my opinion...having a strong frame would be directing the conversation, alpha body language(not shifting side to side), if i say a random weird statement...i don't care about their reaction.just amusing to myself, eye contact, kino and that's it i think.

How would you guys define and explain a "alpha/strong ass frame" of which even if you aren't all humerous, witty, or unfortunately go blank on "interesting" topics....that you can still save face. Or if you don't incorperate those things....you're fucked. What do you guys think? THanks for reading.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:29 am 
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Your style would work better for day game than night game. A slower paced SPAM can allow for a less eccentric energy level and I find that it suits my personality better. Give verything you say emphasis, make your conversation seem deep. As for body language, make slow sure movements and own the place.

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Try drinking energy drinks?

Get all pumped up?

If your just not a PUMPED up guy then make your conversation about serious matters.

Such as god.
or teh internets ?

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Nooo...i'm a football guy...screaming lifting guy...love to get wild and shit. I love fast paced shit too.

But...unless the context is a certain way...it's difficult to achieve the mindset. As i'm walking to class thinking about w/e and i see a girl....my energy levels aren't PUMPED up...compared to if i'm in an argument/debate/talking about something i'm passionate about/gym/sports.

Some times at parties, bars...i just feel like chilling out and being laid back. But then again some times during out of context situations my mind and mouth are just racing with wit and i love every second of it.

Haha...talking about "deep" matters..god/religion/ethics/etc are something i am always interested in and have can always turn my mind to if the subject comes up. But isn't it said NOT to get into serious shit? No religion/politics/and one other..i forgot.

Xecutioner i know what you mean..but although i may FEEL slower ...i PREFER a faced paced mind racing about taking in words and branching off to multiple tangents(conversational threads) with no effort at all...witty remarks/retorts...i PREFER this. I am trying to eliminate my pot/drinking use as i'm contributing my "slower" mind days to that...but some days even WITH getting fucked to hell the previous night..the next day i'm still quick as a whip. Don't get it.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:52 am 
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You guys consider that frame?

That stuff comes from frame. It is not frame.


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I agree with AFCAdam...i addressed the two responses that i got but it wasn't what i was looking for. Frame in my opinion is considered completely inner game, but maybe i'm wrong? If so...what traits/ways of BEING would make u appear solid as a rock?


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K, I didn't read your posts but I'm gonna teach you the meaning of a strong frame.

I was having a discussion with PrettyBoy41 about the fact that he dislikes his nickname and told him that if he had a strong frame, that people would call him whatever he wanted them to. I use my alias among my friends and girls now because I have never been happy with the name given me by my parents, it never fit who I was inside and caused me to feel less than on the outside.

I told the girl that I'm seeing that I had given her my alias and told her my real name and asked her which she would prefer to call me. It is obvious that I prefer to be called Rye and it suits who I am much better these days, so she said she liked that name much better. Keep in mind this is a serious relationship, not just a little fling, I'm exclusive with this girl, so this isn't just like some random girl I fuck and she uses a pet name or nickname because we have so little connection.

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lol i dont frame control my friends man. i consider them equals, whether they are or not they merit respect enough to have imputs and to jokingly insult me or w/e. i do it to them, they me, thats what friends do. of course in the presence of women its different, lol they have kinda learned to take a back seat and just listen and watch while i work
You're looking at it from the wrong perspective, come take a look at it from where I am *pats the seat beside him*. :wink:

Having a strong frame doesn't mean you have to dominate your friends' frames. You have the power to be confident and energetic, without forcing it upon others, although they will feel it and it will affect them in a positive way. You can be self aware and know when something has a positive or negative effect upon you and having the confidence to know that you deserve things that have a positive effect, such as respect is important.

I demand respect from those around me, whether they are my parents, my sister, my best friends, people I've just met, or the girls I have relationships with. That isn't arrogance, nor is it uncalled for, because I give them respect back in kind. This doesn't mean that we can't bust each other's balls (c'mon you fucking KNOW me! Do you think for one second that I can carry on a conversation without throwing some friendly digs in?), but we do it in the context of friendship and respect.

There are lines and when they cross one, I let them know without being a jerk and they know not to cross that line again because it demonstrates a lack of respect for me, which means that I have no reason to show respect for them. Me and the boys in the lair are all good friends and we treat each other with respect, but that doesn't mean I can't crack a joke like last night when a new guy came out and I say, "Yeah, don't listen to this guy, he's just a Clown, nothing but a Dancing Monkey. He's a lot of fun, but he can't attract a girl worth shit, that's why he's still a virgin!" We all laugh and I pat my buddy on the back, because aside from me, he's top dog and so it's all in good fun. I don't say stuff like that to the guys that ARE trying to get over being clowns, because that hurts them and shows a lack of respect for the effort they are putting in to changing.

Have a strong frame and be sure of yourself and what you deserve man, but that doesn't mean you push it upon others. Let them know your boundries and treat them with the same respect they treat you with, if not a little more, so that they have nothing to hold over you when you have an issue with how THEY are treating YOU. If the name they call you by makes you feel less than what you deserve, then you tell them you don't appreciate it and that you would rather that they call you something else of your choosing, then you crack a little joke to let them know that you're not being a bitch about it, you just want them to respect your boundries.

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Thanks guys. i defiantly put this thought into action last night and it was relieving.


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