Gentlemen,

I have been on this forum for a while and I've noticed something.

Everyone rates women on the 1 - 10 scale based on their beauty alone when in actuality, a woman's HB number is based on her value.

Example: Let's say you see a girl's birthday party at a well known club. She is the center of attention - she's got everyone around her, the DJ is announcing her name, the owner is bringing her champagne personally and you just happened to pass by.

She is a 10. She has the highest value in the room. Even though if you had passed her in the park on a different day she might have been a 6, that night she is a 10 - she's going to be the most difficult girl to get.
Everyone else's value has dropped because of her presence.

Just throwing this out there so we can all be on the same page.

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Seems kind of flawed, in my honest opinion.

Basically that would elevate most field reports to all being about HB10s, since most won't be doing field reports on anything less.

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The truth is it's all about social value, in the given example she's got it. It's the only scale that matters when it comes to pickup. Beauty is relative, most of the guys who post here like asian girls, but they do almost nothing for me. I have yet to see one who I'd consider more than a 6, name any famous asian girl you want and that is my answer ... 6 at best. How objective is the beauty scale then.

The scale is best served by noticing who is the woman every woman looks up to in any venue. That woman is the 10. She may not even be a 10 to you, but she is the least attainable woman in the place. It would provide a better reference for all the guys who ask questions, and the guys who try to answer them. While it is the scale Mystery and Style use I still doubt it will change the way guys do things here.

As for me, I've always used the Yes/No scale.

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"You're only as young as the women you feel."
"I am the Master of my unspoken words, and the Slave to those words that should have remained unsaid."

Ratings are silly. Just another one of the many absurd promotional aspects of the PUA industry. My favorite is how guys brag online about what they get. How low have you gone when you do that?

Be who you are. Like what you like. Simple as that. It won't sell pickup courses though.

I'm pretty sure everyone uses some kind of rating system.

And I highly doubt you've never bragged about a sexual conquest.


But really, who's more pathetic? The people talking online about improving their interactions with woman and themselves as a whole? or the person spending his time doing nothing but trying to belittle the aforementioned people?

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Actually, no I never brag, I have offered help before, and I've had to relay certain information as clarification of what I've experienced. I'd never divulge a woman's identity not even to my best friend who knows more about me than any person has a right to.

Of course you may consider it bragging, much of what goes on here may well be meant to look like dueling lightsabers when it's really just two guys in the dark with glow-in-the-dark prophylactics. It's unfortunately part of what makes the community what it is, which is probably not what it should be.

Back to the topic, I'd like to hear what you ladies think on the rating scale issue. You may not have the same way of talking about men, but it would be enlightening to hear how you girls honestly talk about guys.

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Artax
Devil's Advocate

"You're only as young as the women you feel."
"I am the Master of my unspoken words, and the Slave to those words that should have remained unsaid."

Bragging comes from being insecure about who you are. I would say almost all the members of this forum fit that description. Might have to do with age and it might be something much deeper.

Look, if you want serious help I will give you some advice. Drop the furry hat and makeup and just be yourself times one thousand. Nurture who you are. Hardest thing to do on this earth. When you finally start on that path you will see how YOU ATTRACT people. No need for silly lines taken from a course. You will suck people right to you.

The entire name "Pick-up Artist" is wrong. It denotes a person who lives his life chasing after something. If you approach it from the point of view that you have everything you need already within you imagine what that would do to the way you live.

Stormy's rating system:

0-No.
1-Sure, why not.
2-Whoa, hello.
3-Oh DAMN.

3s are rare. And by "rare," I mean "you almost never see them." The hottest girls I've been with have been 2s.

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Granted, most of the members are probably guys in their 20s or early 30s. Some of us are more mature in all respects.
I don't need help, I was just hoping to steer the thread back to the topic instead of blanket criticism. I was hoping you had some insight, but I guess not. I understand the desire to lash out at what you may consider unfair judgments and categorizations, especially having just been on the wrong end of one, but it's naive to think that everyone doesn't judge everyone. It's human nature. The decimal system is unfortunately a natural extension of it. Just as your blanket categorization of everyone here as Mystery clones.
Yes a PUA is someone who is pursuing something. They are men trying to improve all aspects of their lives, but let's face it women are the most puzzling. That's why pickup is, at least for now, the focus of what they're learning.

For years we've been told by people who thought that by telling us men and women were exactly the same, they'd be helping us. 'Lo and behold, they couldn't be more wrong. Science has proven woman's psychology is different, at least partly because the architecture of their brain is different. So, now we're here in the 21st century and all the brainwashing of the last 40+ years needs undoing. Women have be told to be more like guys, men have been told to be more like women, and now women are upset because there are no real men around anymore. Of course women have had to pay the price too, but much of that leads back to men not being taught to be men.
Interesting platitude, but the fact is most people want someone else in their lives. I can take care of myself, provide my own food and shelter, even satisfy certain biological needs to a point, but without physical contact with another human being I will not truly be complete. While studying pickup I've learned a lot about evolution and psychology, and maybe you'll get around to it too. Maybe you'll find like I did that it was our drive for social contact that caused the developement of our cognitive reasoning. In other words without someone else, be they lover or friend, we will never be complete.

"... No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. ..." ~ John Donne http://isu.indstate.edu/ilnprof/ENG451/ISLAND/text.html

I am a PUA, maybe not as others are, but I am still one with them. I have disliked the criticisms of one for another, because I see all of us as striving to live our lives to the fullest. I have given up the boring servile life I had for one with more passion and joy. I don't want to use women, I want to share with them the intimacy that we both need, satisfy the desire we both have, and I strive to give them the best experience of me as possible. I will be their friend, their lover, their confidant, and their co-conspirator for as long as they want to know me. I'd like to find the one who truly completes me, but until then I will practice all of my skills in the hope that when I find her she will find me too.

I apologize for having diverged from the topic so completely. It was my hope to get us back to the topic in my last post, in that I have obviously failed.

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Artax
Devil's Advocate

"You're only as young as the women you feel."
"I am the Master of my unspoken words, and the Slave to those words that should have remained unsaid."