This was posted elsewhere by accident, but I think I may get more interesting feedback on the main Lounge, so interested in reading what you have to say.

I'm sure this is old news to many people here, but I was informed by a personal friend that Neil Strauss was interviewed for a new book entitled 'The Truth' on ITV show 'This Morning'. I have provided a direct link here for what I expect with only be able to be seen by UK residents.

http://www.itv.com/thismorning/hot-topi ... -the-truth

The book will be talking about Neil moving forward into his life into relationships. However what is important is his use of phrases like "insincere" when it comes to describing 'The Game' as well as his own self hatred and depression as a result of it.

Additionally there is an article here from the UK newspaper The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... book-truth) in which he is interviewed about the book. He also makes this rather interesting quote:

“I think that a lot of guys who read The Game, they think that they’re fooling or tricking women. But most women are smart enough to know exactly what you’re doing. They just might like you enough to go along with it. I think one of the misconceptions is that someone else can be tricked into doing something they don’t want to.”

What is your reaction to the above statement? As a result of knowing this, is there any reason to bother with all these techniques such as 'negging' or 'DHV' in order to attempt to gain the interests of a woman when in all likelihood that she liked you anyway?

Genuinely interested to hear your reactions to this. Is it game over? If so, then why is that? And if not then why is that instead?

Thanks in advance.

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Oh so he's gonna give back all the money he got from selling something that's not true? It's just marketing... Make your money from one thing then bash it to make your money on the next.

He hasn't actually taken back what he said as 'untrue' and no doubt will continue to be of the opinion that the techniques he discussed in prior writing are effective when it comes to the pursuit of women. However it seems that at least in that paragraph he has just said it happens to be unnecessary.

People do change their minds from everything including their religion to their politics to their nationality. Why shouldn't Strauss do the same for PUA? Also he makes it clear that it did eventually lead him to meeting his wife. But all the same the quote also seems to basically say that PUA is redundant, does it not, as a girl allegedly knows your interests.

Do any of you think game 'insincere' then?

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'Honour is what no man can give you, and none can take away. Honour is a man's gift to himself.'

Isn't contradicting yourself or bashing your previous products pretty counter productive? Most companies like to boast of a flawless track record, so to claim their previous output as flawed would be bad marketing. I can't imagine Ford coming out and saying "Our previous cars were shite! We promise this one isn't though!"

Most advertising campaigns will either claim a good track record for reliability or will boast that they've listened to customer feedback to make requested improvements to new produce. I probably won't end up reading Neil's new book but all the same you don't need a degree in marketing to understand that it would be silly to bash your previous output.

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Wow, I was expecting a little bit more of a reaction to this...

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Anybody who has got anywhere with this has come to their own conclusion the book has exaggerated the success of Pick up artists. This stuff only confirms what I knew half a decade ago. His book was a success, he is a great writer, he hangs out with celebs/rockstar's when he was an AFC and is known world wide. I am sure that in itself get's him pussay.

Going from AFC to nailing threesome HB11's rejection free, is simply not realistic for the 99.999999% of people who are into this subject.

I am more surprised that Style981 hasn't posted in this thread yet.

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^this, the different between style and you average forum dude, is that he has a social circle of hot women, has money, and some status... The dude is a good marketer, pua is over, and his book has been debunk on all of the exagarations... so what he is doing is brilliant, which is going after himself and showing in the new book you have to buy, his new realizations... just lol, style is a great manipulator, but i will get the book anyways, i like the way he writes... is entertaining...

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In my humble opinion, human beings are creatures of evolution. What I believed 4 years ago, I consider that total bullshit now. Not because I am a liar or a manipulator, but because I have evolved. At that time, I did what was best for me at that time. With the passage of time, I came to realize whats even better. That doesn't make my previous beliefs wrong because if I didn't have them in the first place I wouldn't have come to realize something better.

Now if Neil Strauss is bashing his previous methodology (which he's proabably not btw but even then) I would say its honest on his part to say this and would prove his material even more genuine. As Pebble (aka Dragula) said "an Intelligent Marketer wouldn't bash his own methods" but since Neil IS bashing his own method, I respect him even more for telling "THE TRUTH" instead of sticking to his old beliefs and manipulating people into buying his books.

PS: I think honesty is the only reason his books sell a lot.
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Well if that's true, doesn't that make PUA bullshit then? You just said yourself "PUA is over", yet you still post on the major 'Pick Up Artist' forum. Does that mean you aren't a PUA yourself? And if you're not, then what are you?

Whatever you think of Strauss, in the end he is the one who popularized 'Game', and for him to come out and say "Any form of manipulation is wrong" and he became very depressed due to feeling as if he was being "Insincere". To me that is basically saying that whether PUA techniques work or not, he is more or less describing them as morally reprehensible in such statements. Isn't there a huge problem when the man who popularised the entire movement has suddenly made points opposed to what PUA is, which is essentially appears to be techniques used to manipulate women into going to bed with you.

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I don't label my self a pick up artist lol I don't think Neil does either. My reason for being here is that this is the 1st place to come to for advice when I chose to be a pick up artist. I've seen through the bull shit and most of my posts around here are telling people not to be so gamey retards and to just be normal.

I understand the game is your bible but you will evolve like a Pokemon eventually and learn to accept that this PUA stuff is 15 years outdated. It's more about being an attractive male. In all all aspects of your life.

Health,Wealth, relationships, looks, spiritually, confidence, social liberation etc etc

Most women I hook up with like me. And if ends they usually still respect me and still friends. Hardly manipulation victim behaviour. You are projecting yourself because you obviously rely on manipulation to get women (if any)

What you numpties don't seem to grasp is, that above average fundamentals is what determines the quality of girls you get. Not the method. The method is just an excuse to interact with these girls and it it involves approaching and making a move. Then any 'method' works if you got your shit together.

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PUA is absolutely NOT my Bible! And no I don't rely on manipulation to get women. I'm not sure where you got such impressions as I never made any comment which indicated either. I'm just curious as to what people think about Strauss' recent change of heart.

I'm here as a result of genuine curiosity - I loathe 'PUA'. And if you're not a PUA, what are you doing on a PUA forum then?

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I just told you why I'm here, mr defensive.

Read my post again. I'm paying it forward. I don't take value like most people and fuck off. The people that get laid on this forum with a little consistency, majority will not claim the PUA label. It's the people that don't get laid. ironic isn't it?

Feel free to request a different website domain. But I like it here. It doesn't need to concern you why I'm here.

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There is only one person getting defensive here. I had no idea my questions were intended for malicious purposes but I'm glad to have been enlightened to the contrary. I make no claim of being a PUA nor would I ever do that anyway.

Also, 'Style is a great manipulator', yet he has recently made the statement "All forms of manipulation are wrong", essentially saying that 'Game/PUA' is manipulative. In this I am in fact in agreement with Strauss. I don't think Strauss is bashing his methodology as 'ineffective', but he does appear to be saying that there are moral problems as well as fallacies within the technique. Aside from the point of being 'manipulative', he also pointed out that such techniques won't make a girl like you, but she may wait around while you use them because she liked you anyway, in which case that more or less renders all PUA material as redundant.

Would it not be better just to be honest and straight to the point about what you're interested in? I mean if there is no 'technique' which will make her like you, then aren't you better off being direct and telling her that you're interested? Or is that what you do?

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'Honour is what no man can give you, and none can take away. Honour is a man's gift to himself.'

agreed - (you)

contradiction much?- then why are YOU on a PUA forum then? Lol enough of contradictions, enough bickering, enough guru worshipping. I gave my opinion, accept it and move on whether you agree with it or not. Even skills360 is agreeing with me.

Get off my dick, Do you even lift bro?

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@OP.... First If Strauss made a statement, it's still a statement. His thoughts, his understanding, his Opinion of what PUA is. It doesn't mean what he said is true.

Second, as I said before, people evolve. When Strauss wrote the "The Game", it was about 10 years ago. The whole world can change in 10 years. I see myself from 2 years back and there's 180 degree change in me. Imagine how much can a person change in 10 years.

So point is, what Neil said is his thoughts. What he thought about PUA 10 years ago, he's probably bashing that thought of his, which according to him was "manipulation". Personally, I don't even consider routines as manipulation (If any one wanna know why ask me). Anyways, now that he has changed, he's giving the opinion what he thinks is 'right' at this moment. He might change his opinions 3 years later, as do we all with the passage of time. Those who stick to their old beliefs for too long, either haven't matured or are too egoistic to contradict their own words. Other people might not go through the same change of thoughts in the same period of time.

Also every person has hi own definition of PUA. Some call it "manipulation/routines", others call it as "being your best version" or "being an attractive male". Hence the difference of opinion.
I hope that will clear the point.

PS: I am more surprised I haven't seen any "lick lick" on my posts yet.

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