So, I just want to leave a disclaimer. If you do not go out and cold approach, take your opinion else where.


Moving on, what is game?

In one thread, a company was called out by a bunch of forum members in saying, they were not good at PU. More importantly, they simply just spam cold approach to lots of girls. I have heard it said before, "its a number's game." I could not agree more with it. I am sure there may in fact be a more efficient manner to do PU and cold approach that is less spamming tons of girls. Then again, if a girl is not interested, what does it really matter? Personally, I always would rather have the reference experience rather than, regret what could have been. You know what I mean?

Just an after though; I feel like if you are good at game, no matter how much you spam cold approach, you get good at picking up interest and disinterest. You have great calibration, you have strong social equity, and you pull a fair bit be it SNL, fwb, fb, day two, and dates. I have found very few people are great at consistently pulling girls out of bars and clubs consistently. I have found less guys are great at pulling girls several deviations in attractiveness regularly. In terms of the latter, I would say maybe a handful of men I have seen that good at pulling hotter girls deviations above them regularly. Neither of them were into PU but, naturally gifted with women. Anyway, I would love to hear your thoughts from those who are going out several nights and days a week banging the guns.

Why do you just do cold approaches? I usually find that 90% of the time you can turn a possible cold approach into a warm approach just by forcing IOIs. Personally, it's actually quite a long time I don't do cold approaches because I turn them into warm approaches.
I feel that by doing this it's not a matter of numbers anymore. You can actually choose your fb, gf, etc.

I think the bread and butter of PU is cold approaching. Cold calling seems like a lost art now a days. I do feel like my approach to PU was a tad bit rigid focusing heavily on cold approach mostly. I now feel like a man should take full advantage of every opportunity including technology based online dating like okcupid or tinder even as the passive dating role. I still do not think it should excuse someone from cold approach but, that should not stop someone from taking iois or approach invitations. Even social circle game or monkey branching from one girl to another.

Is PU not mostly spamming through cold approach though? Yes, with better game, you read into social situations, have better social equity, more charm, less awkwardness right? Still, it is a numbers game so, a larger volume of approaches and numbers the better. I am still open to opinions here. I think reductionism of a company by just insinuating they spam approach all alone is ignorant and even one dimensional.

I quit reading when i read the three words Mindset is altogether in the wrong place if you believe there exists such a thing for a seasoned playboy as what is quoted above.

You go to the girl with a warm demeanor and it's as though you've known her forever.

If you at least skimmed the thread, you would have gathered context.

The thread was inspired from a previous poster on this forum discussing or better put, dismissing a other rival company as "spam cold approaching" lots of girls. Agree to disagree on that form of reductionism however, I thought of reposting the thoughts here. Over the holidays, I spam cold approach on loads of girls, several pulls, some back to back days consistently. Lots of numbers, sex, and options however, it is not the most effective use of time nor the most efficient system. As a whole, I do not feel PU is the most effective system however, it is the active dating role which is better then the passive dating role.
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Tyler linked this on another forum in response. I agree. Spam cold approach is a way of reducing the behavior the same with referring to your "pua batting average." Same as beta male shaming and population control.


With improved game, you maximize your interactions, pick up on social cues, have social equity, calibration, charm, and charisma. I still see it as spamming cold approach every where you go be it simple conversation or emotional spikes directed at a particular woman. Kind of like what Warped said about her thinking "the universe brought the two of us together," successful PU is a two way streak. It feels like that for you too. Similar to hypnosis, it works best on the initiator.

To anyone reading this, words are meaningful and you are fucking your chances if you go to a girl with the mind state of "this is a spam cold approach." You have to frame your interactions with positive expectancy both internally and externally.

OP you and I are on the same page, it's just the semantics that I am referring to.

You are probably right. It may come off that I simply do not give a fuck. I can say that about people and their opinions of me or in general. I simply could not care nor do I seek validation. I think framing it as spam is probably not the best choice or wording and not the most eloquently put but, you get what I mean.

Do you feel as V stated, that rsd are mostly intermediate guys who essentially "spam" approach lots of girls? I think even someone who sucks at game doing astronomical approaches will pull a fair bit. The thing is that, it is again not the most efficient way to spend your time.

My thing is no matter the type of approach a guy is doing, make it count for something and put your soul behind it, such as this-

In each and every approach, there is real genuine interest if only sexual or fling purposes rather than white picket fence aspirations. Regardless of the "approach," spam approaching or genuinely investing yourself and time forward with each woman, you will get spent. It is very time consuming. Not every woman deserves "my best." I feel like it is a earned right. Like an onion, there are many layers to "Joe" all of which I can reveal over time. It either hooks or it does not.

In terms of "spam" in reference to mass approaching on a astronomical level (or as close as humanly possible), I could have framed it better but, I was playing more devil's advocate. A particular company was being dismissed as not good since they always push heavy cold approach, see which hook emotionally, socially, physically, and of course, there is always only one way to find out. I feel compelled to approach out of morbid curiosity if nothing else but, in the very least, I have some genuine interest regardless. I may not be seeking the long haul of white picket fence however, if all else fails, a hookup is fine and I practice indifference towards all outcomes.

To cross post what I was just saying in another thread(where "this company" advocates insane hours to get 'good'). They commonly use 5,000 and 10,000 hours as a requirement to get "good" as Traveler mentioned.

5,000 hours to get "good". Ok, now let's assume instead, you don't approach at all, get a job where you make just $10/hr. At 5,000 hours, you now have $50,000. For $50,000 at $200 a pop, you can fuck 250 prostitutes. And again, this is on a nearly minimum wage job.
I make about $30/hr, so in 5,000 hours, I would be making around $150,000, which will get me about 700 attractive prostitutes. And if we're dipping down to RSDTyler/Jeffy quality of girls, it would cover over 2,000 women.

What you're suggesting is very, very bad ROI.

It's one thing to learn "game" if you're looking to get better with women, with eventual girlfriends/wives in mind. But learning to "get laid" by spam approach over the course of thousands of hours, is something that lacks any rationale.

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If it takes you 5000 hours to get good at walking up to women and seducing them... you are doing something VERY wrong.

Versalies is right when he says its a horrible ROI.

Look, is the woman sexually available (find this out by being sexual and screening), and does she find you attractive enough to fuck (find his out by being sexual)? If the answer to both is "yes" then as long as you dont come off as weird there is a decent chance you will meet up with her.

Maxed out looks + Normal social skills + escalation skills + actually trying to close = all you need.

It doesn't take 5000 hours to get good at those things.

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Exactly. When you have NO experience, fine go for some approaches and go ahead and keep going even if you've fumbled and probably won't go anywhere.
But that's maybe a few hundred approaches at absolute most, and I'm not even really inclined to suggest that.

I've posted it several times before, but 60 has the best simple article on "game" I've ever read. Game is simple(not to be confused with easy). It takes a little time to master it, but nowhere near 5,000 hours.
Most people putting in those types of hours are not getting better. They misunderstand fundamentals. The basic skill set needed for seducing women takes maybe a few hundred hours to master. Practicing with bad fundamentals may technically lead to some type of improvement, but it's a seriously stunted one, with a much lower ceiling.

You may get a little better if you've got the right priorities, but it's not worth the investment, IMO. You would benefit more from focusing on other areas of your life.

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PU obsession is promoted since there is a dollar and cents value. PU and game is always something "intangible" as we know what it means based upon outcome but, what measures are there to truly say whether or not the boot camp was beneficial? Nothing. Also, I hear many companies promise the world and rarely do I hear of a student who got his money back for a shitty event.
Again, this is here say since, you 1) have not did an event 2) have not met and seen who they pull 3) mostly assumptive post. Pretty sure boot camp is $2000. What I can say is that, every event I have been to has been worth every cent, game improved, and the instructors were all pretty cool. Alex was awesome. Shame he left.
This was not what I am saying. You are mental masturbating. We can agree to disagree. I am willing to bet the girl's in Gambler's videos are paid actresses. They do not say shit in video. I could be mistaken but, they were clearly not met through cold approach unless money was involved. Kind of ironic turn of events bro.
In one week, I do more cold approach then you do in months. Based upon this alone, I can say, most women are not gf or wife material and that is okay. The current scheme of things does not do men well because they are socially conditioned by traditionalism, gynocentrism, courtship, and pan handling to female privilege. That is where the entire batting average originates from. Suit female need and desire.

In terms of quality, a fixed system promotes train wreck behavior as no matter what happens, there is 1) some magina or white knight who will foot her bills and clean up her mess 2) child support and spousal support 3) social assistance 4) government programs 5) court orders for payment settlement. Bottom line, none of the above helps promote female independence and quality human beings.

The knock on approaching astronomical amounts of women is because most guys want to "not leave their apartment in 2015" yet troll through a PU forum to say they did it. Others will say they flirt with their gf practicing courtship, monogamy, gynocentrism, and traditionalism in attempt to promote their "game." This is complete madness. Most guys want to find a couple girls, fill the their bucket of holes, and increase their low self esteem. Few to no guys want to put in the work to overhaul their pathetic existence.

Is this a lot of work? Sure as hell is but, if you want that lifestyle that much, you will do everything it takes to get to that next level in your journey. Tyler is a great mentor because so few guys are as bad off as he is in looks, learning disability, maybe autism? Destructive family issues, depression, potentially bi polar? Simply, if he can do it, anybody can. The problem is that, so few guys have the what it takes to dig deep, set aside their ego and really go for it at all costs. Burn the boats. Concur or perish!

I agree entirely however, it makes me question a person's game to come up with such a ridiculous figure.
By spamming cold approach, I am talking astronomical cold approach... even when you hookup, pull, bang, you go back out, and back the guns, this is a whole other level.

For all the attacks on Tyler, I have to say, "we" have it better. Nobody here is balding, sort, unattractive, and having to do the countless hours to even land a date or bang a girl. The again, not everyone is going out regularly or at all so, moving on.
Agreed however, most forum users do not go out at all or leave their place this year. Others make posts about flirting with their gf to increase their game? Unless these are blatant troll attempts, this is a accurate indication of what you see on the forums.

You do not often see someone ever like Zyzz or Yaboydave on PU forums. They just do what they do and carry on. More importantly, instead of a theory from their mother's basement or long hours obsessing over the act of getting women, they just pull, and bang girls. The vids speak for themselves. In short, I have seen very few guys who pull consistently and less who pull consistently deviations above their attractiveness level. Every instance I have seen this, they were not guys from PU.
I am doing less spam approach now but, over the holidays, I was going absolutely crazy with it. The results spoke for itself. The problem though is that, you cannot manage that on goingly while balancing all other areas of your life. I would have to say, PU is not the most productive system possible but, being the active dating role, it is better then the passive dating role waiting for someone online girl to respond or a girl to open you.
If you look at my taf or sd account, it will give you an idea of how long I have been doing it for. I appreciate the link and I will check it out for sure. I do feel PU is a on going process, you are never done learning and yet, in a constant position of fine tuning your approach. As of now, I do more challenging logistics, situations similar to 007 infield but, a little more social equity, tact, and closing. I await e brag call outs!
There are many business models in PU but, mostly, it is the same shit regurgitated over and over again under a different banner. More recently, I appreciate the workings of Corey Wayne "coach," John Cooper, Johnny Berba, Doc Love, and a variety of others. Even simple pickup or Vitalyzdtv are entertaining. Unfortunately, I likely wont see many of you out. I have only ever been once recognized in PU in all my years of doing it but, he was from inner circle so, not surprising really.
I feel that is game. Handling other areas of my life, creating a better lifestyle, modernizing my house, purchasing another property, working out to increase strength and lowering body fat, dressing better, bettering my style, taking acting classes, learning a new language, meditating, doing yoga, and other stuff. I feel it is not a linear process. Having priorities that do not consist of PU obsession is ideal. For me, I am self obsessed in the form of improving my lifestyle and I cannot get enough of that.

It is not enough for me to simply improve my income, start up a few businesses, and have multiple sources of income. I am providing job opportunities to those around me. I am talking to lots of women, meeting those I like, those who like me. Every set offers something new. She has girl friends and family. You open one door and more opportunities come with it.

Something I set my sights on in 2015 is to travel. I really want to see more of the world and experience foreign women while abroad.

I'd argue with this.

Yes, there are some users who fit this bill.

There are also many who don't.

I'm on this forum while commuting to work, some spare time, etc... and I go out, game online, flirt my ass off and do everything I can to be active (including give advice to anyone I can, here and in the chat) - and that doesn't put me in the category of a user who'd rather be here than out.

Many users here - and many mods - are coaches and instructors. They have businesses and make a living doing this. They're also here to help, for the most part.

You have newbies, here to learn.

You have intermediates here to both learn and give advice.

There are trolls and KJs - but to say "most forum users do not go out at all or leave their place this year" is probably wrong...