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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:31 am 
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Points to take away (TL;DR):

1. One of the biggest mistakes men make with women is that they try to impress women by talking about themselves too much (bragging, and even DHVing too much)

2. A PUA listens to a woman to explore her, appreciate her beauty, and to find out what makes her tick. An AFC "listens" in order to prove how good of a listener he is.

3. A PUA is an artist that connects and creates a bond with his audience just like a musical performer.

4. The field is the best teacher, i.e. experience is better than any book or DVD program, hands-down.

5. Kino escalation is the most important skill a PUA needs to master.

6. “Success is like being pregnant. Everyone congratulates you, but no-one knows how many times you got fucked.” Eventually your success can be consistent enough to the point where your successes "just happen" with little to no effort, like second-nature.

7. Reframe your thoughts with lots of evidence to support the new belief you want to adopt rather than telling yourself affirmations that may be in direct opposition to your existing beliefs.

8. Feminism is good and PUAs need to be feminists.

9. Zan Perrion is awesome because of his philosophy of loving women.


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I agree with all that except the feminist part. EVERY FEMINIST I'VE MET which are A LOT (probably around 1500) has slandered me for being a "womanizer"/"player"

feminist and PUA's dont' get along, yes i WANT equal rights for women, i believe they SHOULD get paid as much as men if they do the work and i feel everybody should get what they truly deserve. BUT the other stuff feminist stand for are kinda stupid seeing as a part of PUA is maintaining and finding your manhood, and feminist tells us we should embrace are feminine side. when i ask feminist how feminist are there for men they usually answer " we want you all to be able to cry, wear dresses when you want, and be emotional without being judged"

Now the original idea of what feminist stood for im all for but this new age bullshit like changing the word "mailman" to "mail person" is absolute bullshit........


but all that other stuff is golden, i just feel that being a feminist part is like telling a dog lover that you have puppies, it's just to get in her pants easier

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:06 am 
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yes i WANT equal rights for women
You're a feminist.

The self-proclaimed feminists you criticize might not stand for the same things you stand for, but that doesn't mean feminism itself is to blame.

There are many self-proclaimed PUAs that I've personally met that are full of shit, creepy, misogynistic, keyboard jockeys, mental masturbators, manipulative asshole, etc. I've met the entire range of people who associate themselves with that word and a lot of them absolutely SUCK. But I still call myself a pickup artist because I know that there's more to "PUA" than the bad apples that give us a bad name.

"Feminist" is just a word that can mean different things to different people, just like the word "pickup artist." However, at the core both of those words represent a good idea and we shouldn't get distracted by bad apples who deviate from the good idea.

There are many words that elicit controversial feelings in a lot of people that don't necessarily represent the bad shit they're associating it with:
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Muslim
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Feminist
Pickup Artist

You get the idea.

The fundamental principles of feminism and the fundamental principles of pickup artistry are not inherently bad. I would argue they are inherently good. Don't get distracted by self-proclaimed feminists who are being assholes. Blaming feminism itself won't get you anywhere.


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you're right but i feel pick up and feminism don't get along...but at the same time i feel they do? depends on how you treat women

on one hand if you pick up girls have sex with them and leave then you are what feminist hate because you are harming women

but on the other hand if you pick up women, expand their minds, give them the sexual release they need, and treat them like the precious creatures they are then you'll bring more positives to women than the negatives of leaving them.

so yeah i agree now

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:16 am 
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on one hand if you pick up girls have sex with them and leave then you are what feminist hate because you are harming women
If you dehumanize women and treat them like objects like notches in your bedpost, you are what feminists "hate" because you're asserting a reality that women are not as human as men.

If you view sex in a HEALTHY way, however, and even if you have tons of one night stands with tons of women, as long as you're respectful and possess a view that women should be free to express and practice their own sexuality as freely as men, you're what feminists love because there's a thing in feminism called being "sex-positive."


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If you dehumanize women and treat them like objects like notches in your bedpost, you are what feminists "hate" because you're asserting a reality that women are not as human as men.
This forum mostly have men who treat women like goddesses instead of human beings. At the extreme end, we have a few men who treat women as nothing more than life support systems of vaginas.

I think the ideal is somewhere in between.

Women have brains and are intelligent too so we as men should appreciate their intelligence. Women are also skilled on a lot of things. It's only morally right and proper to give them respect on the things that they are good at. We as men, have no right to compete with women on the things that they are naturally good at. We should support them instead of taking away the values that they can contribute best in a relationship.

Women do not just contribute their pussies in a relationship. They can offer more as human beings. If they are productive human beings and can earn a living, it is only respectful to let them treat you to a nice hot meal that they paid for and cooked, with all their skills, love and care put in just for you. It's a labor of love. Appreciate them and respect them. That's the right thing to do.

It is plain disrespectful to women for men to be paying for everything and cooking and serving them breakfast in bed all the time. Women want to serve their men the best breakfasts in bed. Do NOT take away that pleasure from them.

Simply put, a good PUA treats women as human beings instead of goddesses or vaginal life support systems. Unlike objects, women can offer more.

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The fundamental principles of feminism
If there are fundamental principles to feminism they're just things that we should all be able to agree upon anyway ("equal rights" which is not the property of any group or philosophy but just the property of all people who aren't assholes). Trouble is feminists will say "if you want equal rights then you should become a feminist" or "people who want equal rights are feminists (as you just did). It's not necessary. The label and all the noise and whining and self-aggrandisation that goes with it is just attention seeking, and more importantly, it's not really about solving real world problems. Half the things feminism points out aren't problems. The other half are but it has no solution to them. It's just concerned with moral outrage and censorship. It's an excuse for nurturing personal anger and generalising men based on the minority that have wronged them, and it's ultimately about power and control. If it was really about women's rights feminists would base their views on some democratic view of what women want. But women oppose feminism and feminists spit in their faces. I heard a video where a feminist expressed basically wished death on women who oppose feminism. How concerned is she with their rights?

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Why is it that every time someone uses the word "feminist" all of a sudden everyone starts going into posts about "feminists this and that".

Stop sweating fat chicks, guys. Seriously.

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Why is it that every time someone uses the word "feminist" all of a sudden everyone starts going into posts about "feminists this and that".

Stop sweating fat chicks, guys. Seriously.

Haha yeah...where the hell are you guys running into all these feminists? Stay away from the fat chicks


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Why is it that every time someone uses the word "feminist" all of a sudden everyone starts going into posts about "feminists this and that".

Stop sweating fat chicks, guys. Seriously.

Haha yeah...where the hell are you guys running into all these feminists? Stay away from the fat chicks
You guys are just making your bid for the next Ravishly article :lol:

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For those of you who decide on which morals to adopt based on the results you get:

I'm a feminist and it totally turns hot chicks on when I say stuff like:
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Women should be able to express their sexuality without social repercussions just like men. If I sleep around it's totally cool but if a woman sleeps around she's labeled a slut! Fucking double standards. I'm a feminist because I believe we should stand against the patriarchal bullshit that makes women feel shame for natural and healthy practices like having sex. And because of the patriarchy being so pervasive and brainwashing all these young men into thinking that women who have sex are sluts, I never brag or talk about the women I sleep with around other guys. Hell, I don't even talk about my partners with other women, either. The fact that women's reputations are tarnished by the fact that they have sex is a social travesty!
Being a feminist helps you with sexual framing in a more mentally healthy and non-creepy way. It also helps lower ASD like fuck. It also gives you tons of better long terms effects with none of the misogyny that fucks with your head and inner game. Follow it. Ignore the bad apples that give feminism a bad name. Become more awesome.


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I'm a feminist and it totally turns hot chicks on when I say stuff like:
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Women should be able to express their sexuality without social repercussions just like men. If I sleep around it's totally cool but if a woman sleeps around she's labeled a slut! Fucking double standards. I'm a feminist because I believe we should stand against the patriarchal bullshit that makes women feel shame for natural and healthy practices like having sex. And because of the patriarchy being so pervasive and brainwashing all these young men into thinking that women who have sex are sluts, I never brag or talk about the women I sleep with around other guys. Hell, I don't even talk about my partners with other women, either. The fact that women's reputations are tarnished by the fact that they have sex is a social travesty!
With that diatribe against religious morality that you prefer to call patriarchy, it appears that you're only after women's pussies after all.

Me, aside from the pussy, I also go for women's animated conversations that showcase their best traits as a human being and sometimes, if they are earning a decent living, their purse.

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With that diatribe against religious morality that you prefer to call patriarchy, it appears that you're only after women's pussies after all.
It only appears that way because I'm trying to appeal to the general population of pickup artists. What people are here for is pussy. There's a lot more to feminism that I stand for but the fact that being a feminist makes getting pussy easier is sure to appeal to some others here.

I admit that I first dabbled into feminism as an experiment to see if it can aid me in seduction.

It has.

Naturally, I dove deeper and feminism just makes sense on a grander scheme than just getting laid. But that's a different topic that won't be so relevant to the interests of many readers here.

I went through the same process with Buddhism. But feminism has yet to catch on with the PUA community like meditation has...so far.


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Feminism refers to academia. %95+ of the attractive female population have read literally not even one single book on the topic of feminism. They have no idea what feminism is about, or what it stands for.

What most women are into is not "feminism" it's "girl power!" which is basically summarized in Legally Blonde.

What helps is basically "I like sex. Sex is cool. I like girls who also like sex".

I tell women that I believe in traditional gender roles. Women = Feminine, Men = Masculine. I've had maybe a half dozen women give me a serious push back over it(though in fairness, I'm screening for femininity before a date). I believe men and women are equals, but they're very, very different.

I always compliment girls on her femininity, whether it's being cute or girly or graceful, etc. If a girl shows up to a date in a pair of jeans(unless it's freezing outside), I subtlety call her out on it. Something like "Do you usually wear jeans on a date?" "I'm used to most girls that I date, wearing skirts. I only date feminine women. You seem pretty feminine, maybe you just don't express it that way".

I don't really do a lot of "frame control" stuff, because I think it causes more problems than it helps with. But going with "I think you're very feminine, but you aren't acting like it right now" has always been very helpful. I've had first dates with girls who are halfway to being a man, and by the end of the date, I have a bubbly, silly, affectionate girl.

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Feminism refers to academia. %95+ of the attractive female population have read literally not even one single book on the topic of feminism. They have no idea what feminism is about, or what it stands for.

What most women are into is not "feminism" it's "girl power!" which is basically summarized in Legally Blonde.

What helps is basically "I like sex. Sex is cool. I like girls who also like sex".

I tell women that I believe in traditional gender roles. Women = Feminine, Men = Masculine. I've had maybe a half dozen women give me a serious push back over it(though in fairness, I'm screening for femininity before a date). I believe men and women are equals, but they're very, very different.

I always compliment girls on her femininity, whether it's being cute or girly or graceful, etc. If a girl shows up to a date in a pair of jeans(unless it's freezing outside), I subtlety call her out on it. Something like "Do you usually wear jeans on a date?" "I'm used to most girls that I date, wearing skirts. I only date feminine women. You seem pretty feminine, maybe you just don't express it that way".

I don't really do a lot of "frame control" stuff, because I think it causes more problems than it helps with. But going with "I think you're very feminine, but you aren't acting like it right now" has always been very helpful. I've had first dates with girls who are halfway to being a man, and by the end of the date, I have a bubbly, silly, affectionate girl.
EXACTLY, women want a masculine guy, (to certain limits) so why is it wrong for us to want a feminine woman....to me dresses, skirts, etc are way more attractive than jeans and pants (besides leggings/yoga pants) but if you wear that on a date or something I have 100% that im going to fuck.

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