| I have to respectfully disagree with the just go out and do it and come back and tell us if it worked or not comments. I think that this is an awesome question and this is EXACTLY the reason this forum was created. For scientifically dissecting the tiniest of details of the human psyche, learning why certain things work and why they don't, turning it into a "rule" or system that can be used in dozens of other situations that aren't even remotely similar. The point here is to use our combined experience, thoughts, hypothesis to do the math without having to do random trial stuff the ACFs do to earn their stripes.
As for the mother hens, they are a great tool and I love them! However, if you don't know what you are doing you can get blocked and ruin your buzz big time. Especially if you we not observant enough to instantly know the exact pecking order in the set and analyze them in 5 minutes and know their whole life story and how to get around any potential problems in advance.
However, you if are honest with yourself and are out to have fun and are not like 99% of the other lames in the club that are clearly there for one reason only, to try to "get lucky," you will stick out like a sore thumb and all parties will know that you are not like the slough of betas in the club and that you obviously have no problem getting laid and you really are there to just have a good time.
Women can spot the difference between the two types of men in 30 seconds or less, easily and I mean ALL of them. When you handle yourself as such, it gives off the vibe that you are obviously in very high demand and have an "active" lifestyle.
You down play any compliments crack a couple of jokes about your own flaws, they slobber all over themselves at how sweet you are and how you are not cocky like they first thought you would be when you first came into the set, they through out a few tester comments out there to see how you handle being called a player, heart-breaker, testing for weakness to see if you come up with some retarded ACF wannabe and say a classic line that they saw in the latest urban movie that seemed to close the deal for the guy in the movie but makes you look like an idiot in real life like, "Don't be a playa hater, or hate the game not the player baby." LOL Wow, I love those guys, they make things so easy for us!
You successfully bob and weave seamlessly through the aggressive inquisition like you have hundreds of times before, you don't crack, you subtly make her realize that you are a true Alpha, you will never crack, you make a joke about how you are saving yourself for marriage, she punches and laughs and doesn't believe you for 1/2 second, you gently hint about how you are a very private person and since you have an out going personality people tend to start rumors about you and that you have no petty need to have any drama and you have a lot of "friends" and you enjoy just "hanging out" and having fun.
You again imply that if "anybody" wants to be your "friend" and "hangout" with you, she needs to keep it on the down low so your friends and strangers don't start making up a bunch of nonsense about you.
So in essence without you even saying a word about it, or her even knowing what you just communicated to her subconscious is, "Okay, lets be honest here, you know it and I know it, I bang a lot of chicks, however I haven't found the right one yet, who knows it might be you. Obviously if I found a good woman that could understand me and wasn't a bimbo that just wants me for sex and to impress her friends/mom, I wouldn't be here, "looking" right now, however, we both know how you feel about me, yeah, I know when you told your friend you were going to marry me you were just joking, ha ha, you weren't fooling anybody with the Joking part, we both know that if I dared you to marry me tonight, you would be wearing a ring tomorrow morning..."
"...So now that we got that cleared up and we are being honest with each other, game is over, YOU WIN, you got your foot in the door and have my attention, hopefully you won't disappoint me.. boah blah blah... and just so we are clear, I have zero attention of having 5 of my "friends" banging on my door in the middle of the night because they heard some rumor that I have a new girlfriend and I am all in love and they are pissed because they feel like I was dishonest with them, etc.."
She communicates with you, "Okay, I get the drill, I am not like all your other "little girly friends", I am an intelligent woman who is used to winning and getting her way, I understand that any man that is worth having is not going to be sitting home alone every night and since good men are so hard to come by, I know that I am going to have to be the Alpha Female and step up and put all those "little hoes" you call your friends in their place, so I am willing to play by your rules and I am confident that I will slowly and methodically take those bitches out one at a time and you will be a whipped dog just like every other man that has ever met me, oh I did tell you that every man who has ever been with me still wants to marry me.. blah blah blah..."
Okay, so now you have just had about an 8-20 hour conversation with her subconscious in about 3-5 minutes, you have created a very powerful bond with her subconscious, based on the honesty you both shared with each other and the iron clad agreement that you both are cool with. The deal is closed with her.
That was the easy part. Now you have to must pass one more test. Escaping out of the nest with the egg and making sure everybody is happy about it. For me I have no problem entertaining two or ten sets at a time and making sure that each one gets enough attention, nobody feels neglected and quickly putting out fires before they even happen by recognizing who feels left out, jealous, insecure, vindictive and is unzipping their fly getting ready to pull out the old blocker and challenge the Alpha.
A good Alpha will never even let the thought of thinking about challenging the Alpha enter their minds. If there is a brief flare up, it is a no win situation for the Alpha, either you get treated like your average beta and put up with it, or you swiftly destroy the potential blocker as quick as humanly possible to prevent wrecking the mood of the whole set and everybody sees how your razor sharp whip can due such massive damage in less than two seconds without even trying, they can only imagine what you might do if you were actually a little bit angry and it scares them.
If that happens you lose everything all at once. Remember, what our goal is. Our goal is to get into the nest, get out with the egg(s) and make sure that everybody in the whole set has a great time, even the dudes. If you fail to do this, you are not a professional and your reputation and status will go down. Get enough of those while you are pillaging the entire town and it will catch up to you one day and you will spend one night sometime in the future putting out fires the whole night, smoothing things out with who knows how many future potential eggs out there, a total waste.
An easy fix is to have a decent wing man. Hell you don't even need a decent one, you could have a total AFC who couldn't get laid with a million in cash in a Vegas brothel, give him a crash course in less than an hour and problem solved. You don't even need that, I have no problem grabbing some dude walking by and seamlessly bring him into the set, introduce him, make him laugh, comment on what a great sense of humor has, testing him out a little bit and tell everybody that we go way back, (yeah 30 seconds) asking him how long have we known each other... In less than 70 seconds, your girl will be totally confused at this amazing maneuver and completely drop all of her cards and lose her game for about 30 seconds and say, "how long have you know that guy for?" I avoid the question and talk about what a great sense of humor he has, her subconscious will scream at her that I am purposely avoiding the issue and press the question even harder, then I will start rambling about the theory of time and how society has a real disillusion of the importance of time.
Within 2-5 seconds after that she will punch me and tell me I am such an ass while she tries to hold back her laughter. That is usually a good time to apolgize, lower your voice a little and lean in to her and whisper in a serious voice, "I am just joking around, trying make everybody have a good time."
This is pretty powerful because, he subconscious was sure that you know she lost her game for a few seconds and was going to use this as a perfect opportunity to take advantage of her vulnerability and sneak a a cheap kiss or cop a cheap feel. She is so ready to feel entirely violated and pissed at you and blow you out of the water she can hardly wait. When it doesn't happen, she is taken aback so much it just spins her. You just develop a huge level of trust from her and she will often be speechless wondering how she could be feeling like this, and most likely she has never felt that way before. This is a good time to share your attention and entertain some of the other people in the set while she takes a few minutes to try to figure out what is happening to her.
This effect is so powerful that you have to make sure you are extra sensitive to her vulnerability and turn off the Alpha, or turn it really low so she isn't scared and defensive mechanisms are activated by her subconscious. This is usually a good time to take her out of this thought pattern and show your tender side a little bit, tell her that you wish that you could be curled up with her on the bed with a raging fire in the fireplace, watching a good movie.
The thought of that situation sounds like pure heaven to her, not because of the act itself so much, but because she would rather be anywhere doing anything to get this strange, uneasy, feeling of confusion to stop.
The non threatening tone in your soft voice, clearly not trying to insinuate anything sexual at all makes her feel so "safe" and comfortable and proves once and for all that you are a REAL Alpha, not some wannabe player who wears his fake Rolex and is juggling 2-3 women and is the hero to all his friends. LOL
Anyway, so I got off on a rant, starting to get myself a little fired up. This was just such a good question,i got motivated. So back to the original question, about the mother hen situation, I personally can't remember the last time that I wasn't able to use it to my advantage, let alone have it cause me a problems. When you are just starting to get your skills going and have put together a some good momentum with a few back to back closes, you will inevitably have this situation come up and you will get smacked around a couple times and mess up your streak, but if you pay attention to it, it won't happen to you more than once or twice before you easily are able to control your own dog and pony show and make sure to let the entire circus get a chance in the center ring.
Every situation has so many variables and so many potential action/reaction it would be hard to go through all of them. If you want, we can throw out some what if situations and analyze them and try to make some rules about it.
I would say that the main thing is you will have a very tough time if you are not totally honest with yourself and thereby everybody else who is around you. You have to live the part, be the part, feel the part because if you don't, it will be detected. Also, make sure you pay attention to your lady's emotions as well as the rest of the set.
Keep them all in balance, if your lady gets a little cocky and negs you, train her that if she doesn't want to treat you like the God that you are, her friend(s) will gladly and quickly recognize your mistake and make sure they don't make it themselves. How often have you heard them squawking later, "what do you mean that I stole him from you, you didn't even like him, you were disrespecting him in front of everybody and he even said that he liked you but that you were not into him... blah blah blah."
Always remember that we must train people how to treat us. When they treat us good we worship them, the second, or nanosecond they fuck up, they lose all attention, huge signs of almost complete loss of interest. You break the link between her subconscious and release her back to the real world. You do this so subtly and leave absolutely no proof or evidence of anything behind. That chemistry that she felt so powerful is just gone in an instant and she feels so empty and void inside and is miserable.
Use good judgment and don't over punish her, remember, she is still completely spun and is in a state of confusion and you aren't trying to hurt her or take advantage of her vulnerability, you are just lovingly teaching her how she needs to react when it comes to protecting your emotions.
You don't want to wreck her and make her feel it is hopeless, just like if you puppy pees on the rug, one quick tap on the nose and show disapproval is enough to get the message loud and clear, if you beat the poor guy for 30 seconds, even though he know he deserved it and forgives you, resentment develops and that may never go away...
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