So in "The game" Neil Strauss mentions this so called superstrong techniques that no woman can resist, which are closely guarded by gurus so not to be abused. Frankly i do not believe such stuff exists, i think Neil Strauss just exaggerated like he did so many times in his book, there are no magic mind control technique that will make every girl want to sleep with you, even for NLP you must have some dose of obedience from the start, so it is ultimately still a woman's choice if she will give you a chance or not. So o you think i'm right, are this techniques just PUA urban legend of a sort?

There are no "secretly guarded techniques" reserved only for select "gurus." Its all marketing.

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They exist.

I can assure there are NO super secrets, only super marketers.

How does someone like me know?

Because once I spent my time reading countless books, watching videos, being around PUAS.

I learned that most of this stuff is 90% marketing. After I went to gatherings and thought I sucked balls, and notice other PUAS couldn't get up the courage to hit on a girl at the club we would go after and would always make excuses...

I said fuck this shit I am going to become a PUA. I took to a message board I frequented where there was some of the most desperate guys, made my own techniques, gave them stupid sounding names. I didn't even think people would follow me, but I became a guru to small amount of guys like 100, or at least in there eyes. I could of probably sold them whatever I wanted. Then PUA HATE msg board caught on to me, and ripped me a new asshole, and rightfully so..

Why am I back here? Because even though none of this shit really matters, I am a geek how I approach things. It's easier if I treat things as a game, and some things I will begin to think are magic and they will have a placebo effect on me where I think I discovered some rare or hidden gem.

There are things that will get you more responses, or better responses for woman.. that's about all. If you dont have a clue you are like a fish out of water afterwards.

10% is what you says, the tactics you use whatever. 90% is timing and having the confidence to do and say what you please. If you don't have confidence nothing will work. If you have confidence everything will work, and I mean everything. I have done some things that I never thought I could get away with..but by acting like I knew what I was doing... I was in like flyn.

Don't waiste all your money on what these magic the gathering card game playing fools are trying to sell you.

Pick one or two books/program.. get some openers and shit that kills the time remembered just in case your mind goes blank from anxiety or whatever. And just act like the hell you know what you are doing.

My friend who is a big time natural..the shit he says and does is so ridiculous, but he is one of those assholes that are just barely enough funny to get away with it.

For me, asshole doesn't work..either does funny. I don't know why. If I am an asshole- girls will think I am just some playboy wanting some tail. If I am funny they think I am being rude. If I am serious and actually intrested in them and at the same time I give them this knowing look, which only works if I have enough confidence. I am in.

Courage = Confidence. Only way you get more confidence is if you work up courage to try stuff out.

Now, I need to work up my courage and have been out of the game forever. Can anyone name 3-5 of the best PUAS out there. I don't care if they are nerdy or natural, actually nerdy works better for me sometimes- as long as the stuff has been field tested, and doesn't require a 1000 steps to follow like a mystery method or something.

3-5 best PUAS out right now. Its been long, and I would like this nerdy pua stuff to work its placebo effect on me, because I was actually get laid quite regularly back then, and I fell off the wagon.

Heres a super secret. Go pay some hot looking whore on backpage to go to the bar with you.

Have her hang all over you, and at the same time act disinterested in her. Girls want what they cant have. If you are so valuable that you are dissing a hot chick. Then other girls will notice and your value will increase.. you may even have girls hit on you.

Now, you don't have to pay a whore, you can use your imagination...but I actually like this idea.. I think I am going to pay a whore to go to the club with my next week because I have no real friends that are girls that are willing to play along.

Will report back if you want..maybe I will end up fucking the hooker and the girl I take home. Threesome.

Score.

Another secret. Adderall. If you are like me and don't talk much- the shit will have you talking your head off.

It give me to much anxiety, but mix some opiate in. damn man.

This is a dangerous super secret that will get your ass in a lot of trouble if you are not careful. I am able to handle better than alcohol though, every time I drink it puts me in a strange mood, and I become even more of a loner.

Guard this super secret with your life..and don't over use it whatever you do. Hookers and Drugs are super secrets not to be fucked and you may wind up in jail or with a STD.

Good jobs & fast car helps a whole lot too -anything that increase the illusion that you are valuable important person with a lot of power. Thats why these guys are selling you all this shit saying you don't need any of that- but they know it helps a whole damn lot. They need your money so they can actually get laid.

I dont work or have a car right now..Im fucked..looks like im have to pay some crazy street hooker to drive me around. God, lifes a bitch sometimes.

DONT TAKE THIS PUA STUFFF SO SERIOUS IF YOU ARE YOUNG. GO OUT AND BUILD YOUR LIFE.

A player gets played.
A pimp is a simp.
A mac makes move.

I don't know if you can understand all that. But you don't want to be the player and going on 30 without a car, or a job.

The geek with all that stuff will be getting more tail than you unless you have a large group of friends.

Guru, while you're very one sided and clearly didn't have a good experience with PUA you do bring up a good point: Don't take it too seriously.

Some people will make PUA their life. They'll go to the gym, go out every night of the week and try get as many women to fuck them as possible and think secondly about getting a job and making a living. Fair enough if you're in college and have some money to cover you but when people drop out of college(Which some do...) they're doing themselves no favours. The same applies if you're not taking work seriously enough and on the verge of being fired.

PUA should be taken with a grain of salt for the most part. It is, essentially, self-help which is why a lot of PUA these days will stress the importance of a balanced lifestyle(Income, Physical and Mental health). As i've been saying for a while now you simply shouldn't view PUA as it once was viewed; a way to manipulate women to have sex with you.

Guru, if you studied PUA so much you should know that the basics of it, at least this new wave of it(Mostly natural PUA) is all about emulating an Alpha Male. The older PUA(Canned/unnatural) is aimed at engaging a woman in conversation, being interesting enough for them to stick around then getting them hooked on an all time high around you and then excited. You generally won't do this as a natural but you will gain interest and have the chance to move it from there. Less deliberate manipulation is involved in natural game as opposed to unnatural.

Unnatural game isn't as outdated as many would have you believe... It follows the basics of behavioural psychology which is pretty much set in stone. Unnatural/canned applies a lot of the theories and tried and tested methods behind behaviourism to seducing women and working the understandings of them into seduction. It works. It worked back then and it works now. The only difference is a lot of the canned routines and materials have been done to death which may make it seem outdated when the truth is the widely known routines are outdated but not the method itself.

Natural game is all about numbers: If I act this way chances are 50% of the time women will respond positively to me and I can at least close her in some shape or form.

Unnatural game is all about perfection and manipulation: If I say this, act this way and know how to respond to her or string her along a specific path of thought and conversation I can work towards my goal.

In both Natural and Unnatural you need to understand what turns a woman on and how to use those understandings to hook and reel her in. The biggest turn on is confidence. It's not physical looks, it's confidence. If a woman sees a man who won't speak to anyone she's not going to pay him much attention. If a confident man says something straight up rude and insulting no one is going to speak up against him or put him down. On the flip side if he's weak and submissive people are going to trod all over him. This applies to both attractive and un-attractive men. Summed up confidence will enable you to say or do whatever the hell you want and will create interest in you regardless of your physical appearance. From this initial interest you can focus on getting close and personal with your target. When you're close you can create a connection or a bonding between you both. When you establish this connection you have something special between you and her that only you two have out of everyone else there. This stands tremendously in your favour more so than physical looks. You have a bond, something special and coupled with Kino(Oxytocin) you're simultaneously breaking down her physical barriers or reservations to being touched while this emotional bond is being formed. When you're ready to close she will feel comfortable with you to allow you to kiss her and move on. In her mind she will be comfortable around you, feel attracted to you and want to explore the bond you two have, with this she will also enjoy the physical touch, the physical pleasure of sexual activity. She's there with you, a man she's comfortable with and she is being pleased. She's not going to stop the pleasure because you're a 5 or a 6 in looks when you tick all the other boxes.

It makes sense when it's spelled out, doesn't it? It should because this is essentially the broken down pieces of the human mind and what goes on in the human mind when they meet an individual(Both male and female). Canned material was devised to profit from how we react to specific mannerisms and conversations. It works... if it's not widely known.

In the last ten years I know of four which I suppose you could say are super secret and knocking around the community but kept out of the way of the masses.

1/ "Amygdala hijack method"; "eye reading" variant- A combination of cold reading and NLP.

2/ "Limbic resonance technique"; 90% non verbal but using language patterns to embed Alpha male sexuality.

3/ "The Spanish pattern" About the most unethical technique you will ever come across and paradoxically one of the easiest to use. Originated in England about 18 months ago but at least the creator had the sense not to post it on forums for just anyone to read considering the damage it could cause to somebody.

4/ "The Spinoza system"; using up a girl's cognitive buffer to kino embed sexual attraction without her knowledge. Sort of a way of psychologically "Pick pocketing" a girls attraction circuits. If you know how pick pockets work you've probably guessed how this is done.

A lot of mainstream stuff is hype and wanting your money but there are gems out there.

Lol Melodical give me a break.

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If there is truly a secret that the gurus (and by that I mean marketers) know that most others don't, its this: game is easy. They over complicate things so you have to turn to them for information and also buy their products. Most things in the community is mental masturbation, pseudoscience, and placebos.

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Here is some superpowerfull stuff: Improve your looks as much as you can, improve your style as much as you can, find whatever way works for you to create sexual arousal and fuck them fast.

Avoid neediness and onitis(same shit) at all cost.

Avoid traditional dating behavior.

Have minimum multiple women that you are prostpection or messing with, vs 1.

do not waste a lot of time prospecting on a girl that is not receptive.



^ i gave you superpowers...

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Yeah yeah, we all heard that gazillion times, it all comes down to practice in the end, you can read all books there are but you can't doo shit without going out and trying, just like you can't learn to drive by playing NFS. But i believe NS was talking about so called "forbidden patterns" i will not name any here as i do not want to create any hype(those of you who are here longer know what i am talking about), i do not know if they rely work although there may be something to it just like there is to Hypnosis, but this stuff is slimy, even if it does not work trying to pull something like that seems beyond cheating, it seems like trying to win a tennis match by hiring a few thugs to go and break your opponent's serving hand day before the match, they may succeed or fail, but resorting to such stuff is just plain wrong, no reason not to inform yourself about it tough, after all you may be doing something similar just by pure chance, but using some of it, lets just say if you use any of those on a woman you better marry her later because if you do and it works, pumping and dumping her will ruin her life for a very long time.

There's no magic pill. There's no secret techniques.

You have to change yourself. Simple.