I am not the guy who hates PUA by any means, it helped me go from a hopelessly insecure incel to a somewhat insecure guy with lays under his belt to now a mentally calm guy who has come a long way. What I have realized though is that a lot of what PUA preaches does not work on a college campus and applying some of those principles will earn you the creep label fast. If you don't believe then you can read the infamous thread on this forum about the guy who went to a college campus and creeped out the girls so bad that the cops had to stop him.

Also my personal experience with applying some of the principles of PUA in college and going NOWHERE with it. For a while I wondered why people said College was the time of your life you are supposed to have the most fun and here I was sitting lonely on weekends. What the hell was I doing wrong?

Thing is, college is all about SOCIAL PROOF, especially if you want to hook up with the decent looking girls.

It is all about what you can bring to the table and offer other people (some PUA involved in terms of giving value). Can you actually be the guy that people want to hang out with? If you do not have SOCIAL PROOF in college, then you are not going to get good looking girls there, plain and simple. Without SOCIAL PROOF you are set to be a loner and I say this after experimenting with different methods for months and finding one that works. I have two friends:

Friend 1: Tall, chiseled face, single digit body fat, ripped, blond hair and blue eyed, and dresses stylish. Most girls do not even notice he is there or even talk about him as much. You can see him eating alone sometimes or spending the weekends playing videogames in his room. I have to drag him out to hang out with me and a few friends on the weekends or otherwise he is just sitting lonely in his dorm room. At times he has shown the need to hook up with hot girls and has even cold approached them but it has gone nowhere.

Friend 2: Medium height and very average looking, doesn't even dress that well. Somehow everywhere we go the guy is with a girl, he has girls who know his name, I can confirm he has nailed two gorgeous sorority girls, and he is the Van Wilder of our campus. I never see him eating alone, he always sits with his friends, and whenever there is a social gathering you can bet he has a girl on his arm.

Friend 2 is involved in organizations on campus, knows how to talk to people, always starts events and has others following him, and he hangs out with the guys on campus that do get laid (fraternity guys though he is not in a fraternity).

How does PUA hurt social proof?

Most PUAs will tell their students to go up to girls, approach them, hit on them when they are on campus, and try to get their number the first time the two meet. In the real world that might work but in college that shit is so fucking creepy. Of course to protect their egos they will make up a story about guys who they know do that and have success but I have been in college and talked to enough people to know that is creepy. Being creepy means have a lower value, girls will not touch guys who have a lower value than them. Lower value means a lower chance of having any social proof.

Other things that PUA teaches like kiss closing, EVEN CREEPIER. I have seen college students who are into PUA try kiss closing sorority girls and their lives were miserable for it, other guys called them out for it and everyone talked about that student being the one to keep away from. Talk about a huge blow to social proof.

Now SIMPLE PICKUP can get away with this shit because they aren't really students at the college they attend, they are just outsiders looking to profit off of videos. What they do one day will not be held against them because they aren't at college for the whole semester. You are in college for years so whatever you do will be held against you.

So what works in college?

The easiest way to make college the paradise of your life is to make friends with cool guys. Fraternity guys, party animals, and guys that are well connected socially. Find ways to give them value and make interesting conversations with them. In fact the less you focus on getting girls in college, the more girls in college will actually want to go after you. Do not try to make interactions with girls in college anything sexual primarily, that means NO KINO or any of that garbage.

Be casual, don't aggressively chase girls with lines like "hey ur cute I would like ur number", instead go up to them and say "hay there is a party in town, if you like I can text you the location and when it is going to be". Better yet, avoid getting her number at first, you will see these girls OVER and OVER and OVER again.

Does that mean PUA is useless?

Absolutely not. I have seen that PUA works well in big city type of areas where you won't see the same woman over and over again. In fact, PUA THRIVES in places like NYC and Los Angeles because the environment is suited for that kind of thing. Women go out to bars to be approached by men, not like in college where they go to meet up with their social circle and raise their value. PUA is a huge benefit to those living in big cities but for college students, avoid getting too much into it outside of the basics.

What credibility do I have?

I went from super loner at my university due to doing some of the stuff PUA said to do (luckily I didn't go overboard with it) to taking a more indirect approach. Been satisfied with it ever since outside of a few minor setbacks like making friends with some of the top fraternity kids but that isn't really mandatory.

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College game is no different from gaming colleagues at work.

You can still run game, you just have to be wary of social implications and make it clear to girls that you are discreet.

Totally depends on the college. Social proof only matters in small schools, in medium to large size schools there are way too many people for social proof overall to matter. All you need is social proof in some subset and for a temporary amount of time.

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Your character is who you are. Your reputation is who people think you are. The problem with PUA is that many of its methods, especially negs portray you as something that you are not. Also, these can really rub people the wrong way.


You don't need friends to pull girls. All you need to know how to do is to make connections. Then once two people are connected it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. There has to be some boldness so don't be afraid of being labeled a creeper. However, don't rush things. There really is no rule. Each girl is different. You approach the girl then you go from there.

PUA has a variety of definitions.

The problem is that most people OBSESS over PUA and they start analyzing every single move. That's wrong.
All you have to do is read and try in-field stuff and figure what suits you best.

All this "opener" "approach" "a1" "a2" etc shit is useless.

If you think this doesn't apply to big universities, the writer of the book "Conquer Your Campus" went to U Mich, that is a large university. The writer himself specially said not to try crazy nonsense like kiss closes even at a large university like that. Thing is, no matter how big the university, you will see the same people over and over and over again, it will happen all the time. PUA doesn't work on any college campus outside of that in the big cities, and yes by PUA I mean cold approaching going for a close or trying to kiss close.

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No cold approaches? Really? You walking to class you see a hot chick....just pass her by? You in the gym you see a bad babe...keep working out. You in your dorm...sexiest girl lives there, but ignore her? I recommend approaching them and building a connection.

If you are out on a date and it went well Kiss close. If you are walking a girl back to her dorm after a party ask to come up. If a girl is studying with you a lone in your room and yall are vibing kiss her ass.

Take Risks. Be Aggressive. Just Be Smart

SMH, no bro, bad idea. You approach a girl and bother her at a gym in college, she will see you as the creep. As for dorm rooms, if she is familiar with you then it shouldn't matter. You meet girls in college by making guy friends first and then go from there after you have a social circle. College is all about social circle game. Sure you can chat some girls up but PUA will tell you to go for a number or kiss close, dumb idea.

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You don't know if she will see you as a creep or not. Its all about your game. I feel like you are severely limiting yourself with this mindset. Yes social proof works, but everyone won't be popular

okay wtf............

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I went to a smaller school than Michigan and there was a freaking endless supply of women I had never seen. Yea, I run into some of the same people, but there was enough fresh meat all the time that it didn't even matter.

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this actually is a good topic because when i go to college parties or just hangout with college girls in general i notice alot of tactics dont really workout the same. maybe its the abundance of good looking guys that have good game that she is desensitized to. so you have to have more social proof. makes sense

How big are your big universitities in the US? The uni I went to in the UK has about 21,000 people. So trust me, you won't be seeing the same people over and over again - it's basically a medium sized town!

Now I'll split this into night game and day game - day game is obviously pretty much the same between the UK and the US, but I think your night game might be a bit different because of the drinking age. Here, we all go out into clubs in the town/uni bars and drink publicly all the way through university. In the US I'm guessing it's a lot more about house parties rather than clubs because of your drinking age. But I might be wrong there.

Certainly in the UK, your night game is exactly the same whether you're at uni or not. End of conversation really. You're in a club, doesn't really matter if it's a uni students-only club, or whether it's a local club in the town centre. A club is a club. In the US, if it's more about house parties, then yes you need social circle 'value' to the extent that you need to be getting invited to parties, but after that you can still get girls through your own skills.

As for day game - it's no different to real life. If you went up to a girl in real life in a small alleyway, even in the middle of the day, then it would be creepy. If you went up to a girl whilst she was in a lingerie shop, it could probably be creepy. But if you're just walking round the streets and you stop and say hi then it's not creepy, as long as you aren't creepy. If you think it's weird or creepy, then yes, it will come across as weird or creepy. If you come across as this being entirely natural and normal, it won't come across as creepy.

But if you do think it is creepy just to stop a girl walking along, there are still plenty of situational opportunities in uni. You might see a girl in the library, go and chat to her about a book she's getting off the shelf or sit next to her in the computer room and start gaming her from there. Or in the queue for food in a canteen. Or going into class. Or whatever. You don't need social game for those situations.

Social value is useful, but you're getting a little bit too caught up on it again. It's almost starting to get like the race issues you had a few months ago. It seems that you're now looking for another excuse. You don't need to be in with the coolest kids to get good women. You just need to have balls to go and speak to them and enough game to get in their pants. Yeah, being the cool kid on campus is going to help, and if you're a complete social outcast then of course you're going to struggle to get hot girls. But as long as you're an ordinarily-popular normal guy who has got some friends and will therefore be invited to some parties, it's a lot more about you and your mindset and your game than it is about who you know.

Interesting debate. Do the thing that works for where you are. That's calibration.

I've read Conquer Your Campus, Paramount you're basically replicating what the author said.
Don't just take in the whole book, re-calibrate it to yourself, for a first I actually agree with what Return said 'you see a hot chick you go for her' although the book said you'll be a creeper you've got to go by your own rules.

I go to a tiny college if I walked around and memorized faces I would pretty much notice those faces through the week. That's not to say that Pick-up is taboo in the environment. When I solidified my inner game and just started approaching, before reading CYC, I was in class and showed up late so I needed an answer which I got by asking the person I was seated with next to me.
It's funny because this short-haired person who I thought was a guy or a lesbian ended up being a very cute girl (yeah the rare ones where short hair really works for them) caught off guard I played it cool, introduce myself, shook her hand, joked with her and went my own way.

Basically, Pua teaches you valuable things to use in college, but you must balance it instead of relying only on it. I use my pua skills during interactions, especially approach, and direct game but with the intention of only conveying confidence and an interesting lifestyle.

Don't just stick to claims, CYC is good but find out what works in your college for you and what doesn't.