Why don't the feminists like us... I don't get it...... posting.php?mode=post&f=25#

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Feminists are brain-damaged liars, just ignore them.

They spout hatred because it's the only way they can get anyone to pay attention to them. By ignoring them, you take away what they need and hopefully they'll all just eventually go away or stop talking.

Sex-positive Feminists love us, by the way, but those are not the ones in the mainstream media. Sex-negative Feminists think we're rapists, because again, they're brain-damaged liars.

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I'm subscribed to a forum full of feminist and I think they hate us, because they spent an incredibly amount of time searching, reading and commenting over articles about rapists,how women are bullied and still disrespected...
They really read so much trash and try to get involved in so much trash that they end up being brainwashed and paranoid believing that every guy they see is a rapist.
And their fear, together with their strong conviction that they are making a positive impact to the world blinds them and is impossible to try to reason with them, or even trying to explain that the world is not a rainbow path, with doors opened everywhere when you are a guy.

Really you've no idea how Paranoid they get.

I discovered that they hate the "Nice Guys" not because they are shy, but because they think that they are sexual offenders that at one point when they have the chance will rape them. And they can show you tons of articles describing cases where a "Nice Guy" raped someone.

They think that if a guy asks for sex 2 times, and as a feminist you do not put a stop to it, then you are promoting rape culture.

here is an example of some post I saw about online dating in that forum:
And you should see how these feminist trashed the guy who sent that message...

Amazing lol.... yeah I've just started searching through tumblr... and I typed in #PUA to connect with ppl and it's a bunch of feminists confused about what a "neg" is. They believe it's used to lower a woman's self confidence and put them down smh. I do love pissing them off though... it's so easy! I just need to be careful because when I get to involved in pissing them off I start getting headaches listening to their version of reality.

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I think there might be a misunderstanding on both ends.

Feminists do tend to take issue with some of the PUA stuff. Some of the rhetoric used is a little cringe worthy. Sometimes it sounds as if men are trying simply to figure out what they need to say or do just to get a woman to sleep with them. It comes off as inauthentic (like you can't actually be yourself) and it makes it seem like you only see women as a vagina instead of whole people. Women, like men, want to be treated as individuals. We want someone to not only like how we look but who we are as people. Some of the stuff on these boards make it seem like men only care about how women looks (such as the ranking system nonsense) as if that’s our only value to society, which comes across as juvenile.

Other stuff may come off in writing as “rapey.” Some of the stuff like “if she says no, agree but then ignore and escalate.” I think sometimes guys tend to forget that nearly 1 in 5 women have been a victim of sexual assault. Most of us have our guard up in some sense especially with men we don’t know well. A little sympathy with this goes a long way with women.

As for the nice guy thing, I think what men consider “nice” and what women do may be different. I take issue with men who claim to be nice guys but are always after something (I bought you a drink, you owe me a kiss; I bought you dinner, you owe me sex, that type of thing). Real nice guys (and girls!) are the type of people who do stuff because they want to do it, not because they expect something in return. This is an important distinction to women. One is manipulative and lame the other comes off as masculine and respectful…I’d even say “alpha”.

I think what some feminists forget is that there are some valuable social skills that some of this PUA stuff can help with. Being able to approach women without creeping them out is great. Understanding how to read body language, not being too pushy, learning the importance of confidence is all good stuff. I think there are positive aspects to this community and some good insight but it gets over shadowed by some of the negatives like referring to women as sluts and whores.

Feel free to disagree.

genericChick I think I agree in most of what you say.

Still I think that a common principle for any mentally mature person should seek for understanding before judging and trying to impose and agreement. My experience with feminists is that most of them judge and try to impose their "correct" view of the world without looking for understanding and putting almost half of the population of the world in the category of possible enemies.

I've seen articles of "Men in Universities on the 21st century still do not create a respectful environment for women"...
You read the article and is about a woman who visited a campus and some Guys (Bullies) shouted nasty stuff to her...
Do all guys acted in that way?-- NO
Do these few guys only act in nasty ways to women?-- Most probably not, most probably they also bully nice guys.
Is this a Feminist probelm? --- NO it is a bully problem. But through the eyes of most feminist, if a guy bullies another guy well that's the problem of the guy being bullied, because he might not be strong enough, not have enough money, is to short, to fat, ugly, nerdy, etc. and that is a problem that the guy being bullied must solve. But if the same bully does that to a woman, then all men become evil.
If the case would be treated as a bully problem, feminist and unpopular guys would be on the same team and could find a solution to the problem together... But no they just put all guys in one category and get more enemies.

Yeah women do not have it easy with the sexual assaults. But the believes most feminist have towards men being rapist is as disproportionate as the believe in the PUA community that all women are gold diggers and that in the moment a more alpha guy shows they'll immediately will cheat their current partner.
To most guys that has never happened to us directly and still we are manipulated by PUA marketers to believe that the world is like that, and that sleeping with a woman is the only way to gain their respect and affection.

As you said there is a lot of misunderstanding on both ends, and to my experience most feminist are not willing to find understanding, they just want to judge, attack and try to win in this power game by portraying themselves as the victims. Ignore all the vast majority of "creepy, ugly, short, nerdy, weak, poor, shy, etc" guys put them in the category of sexual aggressors and pay attention only to what those few popular, alpha bullies say and do.
Again I'm not saying all feminist act like that, but most of the ones I've come across with do.