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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:54 pm 
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So far I have noticed a significant improvement in my state of mind from where I was when I first joined this forum and I think that is mostly due to being in a new area where I am around a lot more good people. My old town was fairly segregated, poor, and had little to nothing to do so I would spend time on forums a lot to just get away from it all. Now that I am in a better town I have realized that:

1. My mindset has significantly improved from what I used to be
2. I am around better people and not close minded bigots
3. I end up spending my time more productively

Now here is the thing. I see so many guys come on the forums to ask for help and I am all for self-improvement and everything but I have realized that location (being in a close minded conservative area) can really limit you.

When I was cold approaches and everything in my old town, word got around that I was doing it and a few people got me together for a meeting at a Starbucks nearby. They all tried to tell me stuff like "jesus wouldn't do this" or "are you trying to be a player boy? I know you ain't".

People pretty much made it seem like me cold approaching a girl and trying to get her number was the same as me committing a robbery.

When I do where I am right now, I notice less people care. I can only imagine how things will be like in NYC and other areas of the world.

Yet I think that as people start to learn game, they need to be in areas where their game can truly shine and flourish. So next time we see a guy coming in telling us about him struggling, I believe we should ask him where he is and what kind of an area he lives in. After that we should try to help him by telling him how he can adjust to that area, I have found that for smaller towns only social circle game works well.

On top of that we need to start talking more about some areas in bigger cities that are game receptive or favor guys going out to do cold approaches. Somewhat like what Happier Abroad does but not to that extent, just give the best bars and our experiences at the various bars and clubs in our cities. I will do some of this myself in the future.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:27 pm 
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Man, we've all been telling you to move for how long now? :)

Good to see you finally pulled the trigger and made it happen!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:16 am 
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Man, we've all been telling you to move for how long now? :)

Good to see you finally pulled the trigger and made it happen!
It isn't moving alone though, I think you need to change as well. How do I put it.

I can take an AFC with AFC traits and put him in a favorable situation, he still won't score.
I can take an AFC with normal guy traits and put him in a favorable situation, he will score.
I can take a player with good game and put him in unfavorable logistics, he won't score.

I think we need to focus on not only giving game advice but also logistics advice, what bar to go to at a city and when the ratios will be favorable at that bar.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:33 am 
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This is very true. I live in a small (100k people) tourist town in the middle of Arkansas. It's slim pickin's about 9 months out of the year. I've finally come to the conclusion that I have to go to Little Rock to meet anyone worth while. And even then, it seem that the girls I actually relationship up for, move away because this state sucks.

Sadly I've built up my business here over the past 8 years and it's hard to just uproot and restart someplace else. I have thought about cashing out on my business, and becoming an expat. Just see where I end up.

What's even more sad. I moved here from DFW, one of the best places to find really hot women. The suburb I grew up in there, was full of trophy wives who made some beautiful daughters. It's really a shame.


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This is very true. I live in a small (100k people) tourist town in the middle of Arkansas. It's slim pickin's about 9 months out of the year. I've finally come to the conclusion that I have to go to Little Rock to meet anyone worth while. And even then, it seem that the girls I actually relationship up for, move away because this state sucks.

Sadly I've built up my business here over the past 8 years and it's hard to just uproot and restart someplace else. I have thought about cashing out on my business, and becoming an expat. Just see where I end up.

What's even more sad. I moved here from DFW, one of the best places to find really hot women. The suburb I grew up in there, was full of trophy wives who made some beautiful daughters. It's really a shame.
Ya I know the feeling about living in the south, the ratios here are so skewed. Due to the high obesity rates you don't get as many good looking women outside of the big cities and the college towns and the few good looking ones you do get have a huge princess complex. The amount of 5s and 6s back in my old town who had the major princess complex was unreal. I am talking expecting you to take them out to Red Lobster on a first date type of princess complex and the red lobster we had in my old town was actually 2 miles away from the town itself.

Like due to so many of the women there being obese and from the projects or trailer parks, the 5s and 6s who would be 5s and 6s in most towns were automatically 8s.

On top of all that, you get a lack of variety. If you aren't into Black women or White Southern women, you are screwed. Now as a guy myself who loves those Latin girls, it was truly slim pickings.

If there is one thing I have learned about Southern girls it is that they love playing games because they know how attractive they are compared to the rest of the population. It's always the same look on all of them too, bleached blonde hair with the country accent and short shorts yelling "please pay attention to me!!!".

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:44 am 
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Though I have bashed the south, I will give it credit for one thing. There really are Asian and Indian guys here who have managed to do well and I mean really well with women. So many women here consider Asians and Indians as some exotic commodity if they pull off the cool guy look. You won't believe how crazy some of these girls are for Harold and Kumar, Americanized foreigners who have the cool guy vibe and their act together.

Last week I was at the movie theater and ahead of me in line was this Indian dude shorter than me (most likely a student) with a tanned brunette as his date, he was about maybe 2 or 3 inches taller than her. The guy had his hands all over her ass and ironically we ended up seeing the same movie, the two were making out and I had a chance to see her face and dayum!!!

It was so aesthetic and everything, girl was easily a 9 by southern standards. The guy was shorter than me and he was pulling top level talent.

That is something else I want to cover, seems like Indian and Asian men here can actually have an advantage if they don't act like awkward FOBs. If they act cool and American, they can date the hottest girls and Southern guys don't really mind an Indian or Asian sleeping with a White woman as much since there is no taboo involved. Like all this time I kick myself for how much of an idiot I was for whining back then when things worked to my advantage.

Yet I won't deny that there are places in the Western world where I would have it rough due to my ethnic appearance. I am heading to Montreal in December and in some ways I am scared of doing approaches there. So many Indian AFCs seem to come out of Canada and I heard Indians have a really bad reputation there with women and everything.

I am excited yet worried.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:19 am 
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The obesity here is ridiculous. There are some pretty hot girls here, but damn are they hard to be around. I call the girls who grew up here the indigenous people. They are never good enough it seems. I like very fit, very hot, very intelligent women. And those kind of girls didn't stick around when they graduated high school. The only ones I can find that match the bill are in Little Rock going to college.

I will say, I have never noticed this Asian or Indian thing here. I would actually say, I've seen the exact opposite of what you describe. I have to ask, what part of the south are you in?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:20 pm 
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The obesity here is ridiculous. There are some pretty hot girls here, but damn are they hard to be around. I call the girls who grew up here the indigenous people. They are never good enough it seems. I like very fit, very hot, very intelligent women. And those kind of girls didn't stick around when they graduated high school. The only ones I can find that match the bill are in Little Rock going to college.

I will say, I have never noticed this Asian or Indian thing here. I would actually say, I've seen the exact opposite of what you describe. I have to ask, what part of the south are you in?
I am in the slightly more progressive area of the Deep South (SC, GA, and TN area).

I think the south generally relies a lot on heavy social circle games. Yes it does have a lot of attractive girls but I have seen quite a few of those attractive girls get with guys women elsewhere probably wouldn't even consider. It is almost unreal what kind of guys you see getting the girls here as opposed to the guys in California.

What do you mean by the exact opposite? I doubt there is that heavy of an Asian or Indian presence in Arkansas in the first place though.

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It's no secret location matters a lot for game. I used to do ok in NJ and south florida, but now that I'm in NYC, it's absurd the amount of pu$$y here.

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It's no secret location matters a lot for game. I used to do ok in NJ and south florida, but now that I'm in NYC, it's absurd the amount of pu$$y here.
even compared to south florida?

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It's no secret location matters a lot for game. I used to do ok in NJ and south florida, but now that I'm in NYC, it's absurd the amount of pu$$y here.
even compared to south florida?
Yes. Nothing can compete with NYC... at least not for me.

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There is such a forum can help you, really great. I some time ago, the cause of sagging, lover broke up with me, and I suffered a big blow, I feel life has come to an end, and later accidentally saw this site, I will ask for help, and now I'm out of that predicament, I hope you can.


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