GET OUT OF THIS PUA STUFF AND START LIVING LIFE LIKE A NORMAL PERSON.

Hey guys my message is for everybody and specially the young guys from the ages of 13 to 17. You guys shouldn't be here those are the ages where you start to socialize learn about the world and find out who you are. You don't need to be on here with somebody telling you that you need to be this and that that you need to be the alpha dog and that you need to build social value and basically be the king where ever you are and heres a good one that gets a lot of people confused the fact that a lot of people say that only the alpha or amog get laid. Guess what ITS NOT TRUE. What this stuff basically installs in a lot of people is that your no good and that you should change to become like this or emitate this person. Why cant you just be happy with being yourselfs? Do you honestly think that we are all losers and that only a small number of people are truly winners in this world? You know why some people are more successful than others or why they are more happier, because the have accepted themselves because they love themselves. That is the only difference between you and these others big guys like mystery or carlos xuma. And if you actually learn to accept yourselves and love yourselfs for who you are with all your little quirks and everything if your really nerdy or if you blush in public whatever you can become even better than these guys because all they did was learn this stuff youll become naturals and automatically attract what these guys have without having to spend hundreds on seminars or books. the key to life is not looking for how you can become more accepted by women and other people in society. The key to life is becoming who you were truly ment to be, to find happiness and love yourselfs. Once you do that everything will automatically fill in. This stuff gets a lot of people confused and crazy making them think that you have to act a certain way to attract women. This is not true not all women are the same just like not all men are the same there are going to be women who will love you for being the nice caring guy, or love you for being nerdy. If you love yourselfs others will love you as well. Love and be yourselfs don't let this pick up artist stuff change you and tell you you have to be this way or that way no. Be yourselfs love yourselfs give joy and happiness, and be happy. And get off this forum the world is going to teach you more than some page on the internet.

and another thing, what I think is the most saddest and evilest thing about the pick up artist community is how they demoralize women. they make you see women as objects things that have to be conquered and can be easily manipulated with saying these things or with doing these tricks. Its pathetic honestly women are not pieces of meat whose sole purpose is to just have sex with them. They are human beings just like you and me and you should love them and respect them and not see them as objects.

All im trying to say is that you should get off this forum and go start living life and stop filling your guys head with all these things, tricks and techniques and all this other crap. Your goal should not be to have sex with a million women. It should be to find the one that is going to love you for who you truly are in the inside and be there for you for the rest of your life somebody that you can be happy with. Your not going to be able to have sex with women every single night after a certain point. And what if the girl you so happen to be trying all these techniques on giving her neggs and basically treating her like your more important than her happens to be the one you stay with for the rest of your life. How would you feel about that? Life is better than this pick up artist stuff and this forum seriously. Ive been away from the PUA community and this forum for 4 years and I have to say it has been one of the best decisions of my life. I wanted to do my own thing make my mistakes and learn from them, not be on here listening to somebody else about how they've laid 50 women and how they did it.

Now I don't totally condemn this forum I know that there are a lot of moderators on here and a lot of people that really and truly try to help others and not all of the messages that PUA or this forum convey are bad. They give you a lot of good advice such as valuing yourself and not letting yourself get taken advantage and not be treated like crap from the opposite sex. All of those things are good and I applaud you guys for teaching that. But where do you guys ever talk about love? Most of this stuff is sex sex sex. Living a life of just pure pleasure is completely destructive. So honestly my biggest advice is to just get all this stuff out of your guys head and live life.

LIVE, LOVE, LAUGH JUST HOW IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE.

If you guys are doing good in school, at work, with your friends, or some sports but you're not getting any girlfriend yet or you want to be really great with women, this is the right place to be. Just learn to stay away from guys who advice injecting artificial stuff into your body to be more alpha or insist that you should adapt the gorilla society alpha male model.

We are human beings. The human alpha male is a lot more different than the gorilla alpha male and somehow, the OP got it right with this aspect. Cooperation and collaboration is what makes us human. Be more human and you'll live a fuller life.
If you're not happy with your current state and want to improve yourselves by being healthier, more well rounded, more social, more communication savvy (verbal and nonverbal), be initiated into manhood, or loved by a beautiful and nurturing woman, that's okay. It is within human nature to want and live a better life.
Not really. Many guys in here live well balanced and well rounded lives.
Uhm. The internet is your friend. Make use of it to find answers to your assignments or homework; help you solve some of your dating or relationship problems; learn about good things like SPAM, Jessica Alba, or Nietzsche; keep your friends or find new ones; donate some of your savings to save the dolphins or send a poor kid to school, or start your own business.

The key is to keep yourselves from straying away from the positive uses of the internet.
If you want just that ONE girl, imagine learning from the best womanizers around the world to help you win that ONE girl who is the love of your life. Isn't it cool to be learning from the guy who fucked +800 women?
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Yeah, I agree. Learn how to make a woman laugh and give her a fun life with your company and masculine presence and she'll love you intensely and immensely while riding your cock every now and then. That's how life is supposed to be: sweet and filled with multiple orgasms from happy women whom you treat with passion and as persons and human beings just like you and me.

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I can say that I do agree with this not sure where you got steroids and stuff mixed in with it. I agree that this place is good to teach you to value yourself more and have better confidence, but trust me this is not the place you want to be. A lot of this stuff perverts your mind, and on the contrary it teaches you how to get laid using somebody elses way, are you going to emitate somebody for the rest of your life?
Be initiated into manhood? Im pretty sure a normal person wouldn't talk like that. And are you going to get social skills by reading about them? No you will get them by applying them, yes this website gives you good advice on how to do that but a lot of it tells you what to say. I think it is better to say what YOU want to say and what comes natural to you not go and say somebody elses script.
I never said that there weren't any people that lived normal healthy lives. But why do the majority of people come on here? Because they lack confidence because their insecurities are not helping them live the life they want they want to attract women, not knowing that the way to truly attract women or anybody is to love yourself first. A lot of people that come here are not stable. I wasn't when I first came, I was a confused insecure mess.
You seem really apathetic " donate some of your savings to save the dolphins or send a poor kid to school."
I don't know there's something off about you the way you express yourself learn about good things like SPAM? Are you sure your alright?
No its not cool I wouldn't want that guy anywhere near me. Somebody like that has a perverted mentality who only thinks about fucking. How is that going to help me attract the girl I want? You cant get advice from somebody that only knows about something completely different then from what you want.
haha that's a good one I cant believe you actually took the effort to paste the page up. That's really pathetic honestly I wonder what your mother thinks of you posting posts on how to get a women's pussy wet. If you truly loved somebody you wouldn't have those thoughts.
Masculine presence dude are you foreal? How about just your natural normal presence, just being you? And if you really think that that is how life is really suppose to be then wow I feel sorry for you man. Love for a kid to grow up in that environment.
Seriously? wow

Exactly their purpose to cook and clean too.... --- > Just kidding, I just couldn't resist to put that joke.
They demoralize MEN too, MEN also become objects. A man has only value in society if he is able to score with lots of HB10s and if he can't, then he is just a worthless piece of shit. Because of course HB10s only fuck with High Value men.


I agree with you in almost everything.
There are some good things in this community like:

-You find out that you are not alone, I remember that before I read the first book about pick up... I used to think that I was the only shy looser in the world and that every other guy was doing great with women.

-Friends or family tells you just go and talk to her, you can say anything. This is true but giving such a vague advice just freezes your brain, and end up saying nothing. With pick up, you learn that you can ask for an opinion, give a compliment, make a statement, introduce yourself, etc. Now you have something to choose from and to use. The problem with pick up is that PUAs who are in the business want to sell and they want to sell the magic attitude or line that will work for all women at any time, and they come up with a lot of BS theory to explain why his method is the absolute truth... So it is very good to have examples telling you what is possible, but know that NONE of them guaranties you shit. To me this is one of the biggest traps in the community, guys become weird sociopahtic robots trying to get consistent results out of fake promises given by PUAs.

-Also the self improvement encouraged in the PU community is great. Becoming more in tuned with your believes, body and emotions is great. Becoming more assertive, proactive, funnier, master of your path in life is great. The problem again is that PUAs preach that these things will guaranty you to score lots of HB10s. And it just does not work this way...

Really if it is about scoring with HB10s the easiest and cheapest solution is to go with prostitutes, I promise this is the only method that I know so far which is 100% guarantied. No need of lines, no need of acting alpha.

Seriously?

What I liked the most is "Your goal shouldn't be to have sex with a million girls, but to love one..." part...So basically, you're telling people what they're goals should be. But then you contradict yourself by telling people not to listen to what pickup artists here tell other people what to do. What if I want to have sex with a million girls? What if I tell you that girls like it and they are having fun too? What is the world without pleasure?

If your goal is to love, go and marry the girl of your dreams. Don't tell us what our goals should be.

And to be honest? This forum isn't only for pickup, I've learned many GREAT things that helped my social life.
I've only been here for around 2-3 weeks and I was a great social person when I first came here, but that doesn't mean I can't improve.

These forums have become more like a family. People helping each other and giving advice to those who are in need of help. Many people are benefiting largely from these forums. Trust me, there's a lot you can learn here beyond pick up itself.

Guys are happy with themselves just not happy with not getting pussy

All I read is guys who are under 18 shouldn't be into this.

I agree. At such a young age develop your own social skills and at around 21 then assess whether or not you would get anything from PUA. It's not something you should even consider at pre-18 years of age, it will change you for the worse.

I don't know man.. if I discovered PUA in high school I would have at least learned about shit like eye contact and importance of fashion sense which would have made my life a hell of a lot better growing up.

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Nah, PUA isn't a norm and it takes you down a specific train of thought. You surround yourself in these idealisms and get completely warped views on women and the world in general. By warped I mean views that simply are not normal. When you're young you're immature. When you're as young as 16 or 17 you need to figure this stuff out yourself through trial and error. It shapes your personality and who you are. If you're reading how-to books on how to falsely develop your social skills you're going to be a hallow person and end up doing more damage psychologically than good regardless of how many women you can or can not talk to.

http://psychology.about.com/od/psychoso ... fusion.htm

Yea, some people get caught up in it, some people can't separate the crazy shit from the useful information. I haven't had that problem for most of my life.

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What do you mean a "normal person?" Define normal? What society tells you is normal? Why not live the life that you want to live?
Actually, you're wrong. It is true. Girls don't want a loser. If someone isn't happy with themselves and WHO THEY ARE, then they have the power to change who they are.
You need to imitate someone else's spelling and grammar, because your's sucks. But success is whatever you view success to be. It's good to have role models and someone to look up to. If you want to imitate someone who you see as successful because it makes you feel good about yourself, cool. It's your life, do what you want with it. You only get one shot at this whole "living" thing so you might as well do everything you can with it.
Some people aren't happy with themselves. I was one of them. If you aren't happy with who you are, why not change who you are? It's still YOU. But you can always become a better version of yourself. Most guys who are really good at pick up are actually people who have pretty well balanced lives. Fuck, I'm pretty sure I recall hearing Mystery himself say somewhere that "The Pick-Up Arts should enrich your life, not define it." If you aren't happy with your level of success with women, pick up allows you to learn ways to change that. Be the person who you want to be... Not the person that everyone else tells you that you are.
There is no "who you were meant to be." You control your own destiny. If you continuously take steps in the right direction towards becoming the person that you want to be, you will be happy. It is enjoying the PROCESS of becoming that person that you want to be. You seem to be someone who takes life wayyyy to seriously. Enjoy it man. Live it up. Do what YOU want with your time here on this planet and don't let anyone tell you EVER that you "can't do something."
Again, I wish your grammar was better. You are repeating yourself now.... If YOU DON'T LOVE YOURSELF... Change it. Become a person that you love and ENJOY THE PROCESS OF BECOMING THAT PERSON.
I don't know where you got this from... But I love women. Over the last 5 years, I've learned to love women more and more. I don't objectify them... And women's purpose on Earth is the same as a man's. We don't have a purpose. Ever ask yourself "WHY ARE WE HERE?!" Life is completely meaningless aside from the meaning that YOU give it. If you think women's sole purpose on this planet is to please you sexually, cool. That's your view. Most guys on this forum aren't like that though guy.
This is a help forum man. Do you realize how many women's dating help forums there are out there? TONS. Look at the magazines geared towards women on the magazine rack at the check out counter of your local grocery store... You know what the main topic is in there? DATING. Of course you should live life... not just sit on a forum all day and fill your head up with theories that other people come up with. You should go out and create your own theories. But sometimes, a little guidance is needed. People should always try and help other people... it makes the world a better place.

And to say that "you shouldn't do this and you should do this" is completely negating the entire purpose of your post. You are telling people to live their own lives.... then you are telling people what to do? LOL Monogamy is a stupid fucking concept if you ask me. To say that out of the OVER 7 BILLION people that live on this planet.... you MUST spend the rest of your life with one of them, is absolutely ridiculous. There is no such thing as "the one." Am I saying there is anything wrong with a relationship? Not at all. But if you don't truly enjoy spending your time with someone after a certain point, then don't.
Here's a mind fuck for you... The girl probably wouldn't have liked you if you didn't do all that. How do you feel about that? If you want to be more attractive and more successful with women, why would you not imitate someone else who already is successful with women? What you are saying is learning from other people is stupid... Apparently you don't support the education system then either? THIS IS THE SHIT THAT THEY DON'T TEACH IN SCHOOL!
Why do you have to love just ONE person? I have had sex with plenty of women and I love them all. Because I love women. You have this stupid television/movie image of what love is and you let it determine what you think and feel. You can love as many people as you want. There is not restriction on it. Do you know what another term for sex is? Making love.
There you go telling people what to do again.....