I tend to think no.

The whole question would be:
If you go out alone and without drinking anything alcoholic in a bar/club or in a social gathering where you don't know anyone and where people mostly go in group and drink: can you be as natural and social as if you were with friends and/or knew people there and/or were able to drink something?

Unless you're a maverick of some sort, which can be either good or bad, I tend to think no for a number of reasons, but I'd like to hear your opinions.

Yes! i have done it for 20 years, and i see even rsd crew are doing it too...

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That's the thing for me, Tyler from the RSD is natural to me, he's a robot who forces himself to do what he does, he's a bit of a psycho to me.
By natural I don't just mean get a girl, but also go out and have fun independently.

Not saying it's impossible, I'm actually glad to hear people do it, but I believe it's difficult and rare.

You are as natural and "happy" to go clubbing when you go to a place you've never seen before where you don't know anybody rather than your usual ones?
You don't drink?

You were like that naturally, always been?

yes i never done alcohol or drugs, it is not big deal, try it couple of times, till you will get use to it...

http://www.theskillsmethod.com/alcohol- ... club-game/

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When I sarge, I drink minimally, and my game is WAY better than when I drink heavy. (for example, when I'm out with friends to hang out and not specifically to sarge, I might get drunk and by chance, I see a hot girl, then I approach her and my game sucks.) I also believe Mystery doesn't drink, and once said at an interview to a female interviewer: "if you were to ride with a guy on his motorcycle, would you rather he be confident or competent?" The girl replies "competent." Mystery then says "Of course, because competence has a healthy amount of fear."

When we drink, yes, we do suppress our approach anxiety (as well as other types of anxiety, which can lead people to alcoholism). But you also lose your filter and say the wrong things. The worse rejections I've had in pickup involve me when I'm wasted. When I'm sober or buzzed, I cannot be rejected because my wording is much eloquent and finely tuned.

Nice article..
No, Mystery wasn't drinking but I wouldn't take a person we don't know as an example as we don't know what goes on in his mind (ie: is he really enjoying, is he forcing himself to be social etc etc).
Also, I wouldn't take him as an example for what I know about him: he seemed to go out with friends and/or wings most of the times and I don't wanna sound mean/judgmental but after having read The Game and watched some videos I don't hold him in high esteem.

Also, when you are drunk you should look for equally drunk girls/groups, aiming for eloquence on sober girls is bound to be less effective..

Yes. I almost never drink alcohol. I have a different view about drinking. For most guys it's to get loose so you can talk to girls. For me drinking is when you're with the guys just having fun. For example, birthdays.

You don't need to be in a group to sarge. Btw, I almost always lose my friends when I'm sarging in clubs. So, basically it's the same as you go alone.

No, it's not the same.

At least, not for me and for most people I know.

You have a "base" to go back to, you have a leg around there. And if it's a group of friends, it helps to keep your mood up and to have fun, even if you see them sporadically around.

If it's a bad night, you have your group, if someone ask who are you with, no need to lie to avoid being seen as a loner, if you fail 3 times in a row you can charge your batteries with your group, or you if you meet 2 girls you can stop a friend of yours to introduce him to the one of them... Etc etc

There's one problem with going out w/ a group of friends when sarging. If you get AA, you'll shy back to your friends, your safe-zone. Heck, you might feel so comfortable in your safe zone with your buddies you might not even do a single approach.

If you go out alone, and a girl asks "where are your friends?" say "everyone here is my friend. They just don't know it yet." Meeting new people = DHV

I think both approaches are fine. If you want a drink or two, have one or two. If you don't want to drink, don't. I usually drink when I go out but I could just as easily not drink, no biggie either way.

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I agree, but that's not what I wanted to talk about.
With this topic I wanted to see if there were people who were as natural and comfortable and having a good time when alone and without drinking as they were when in a group with friends.

First hand experience, not this or that or Mystery or that guy..

They are your friends for a reason- you have a good time with them pretty much every time you are with them.

Have I had good times when I was out with friends? Yup. Does it make it easier? Yup. Do I learn more? No.

Have I had good times when I went out alone? Yup? Does it make it easier? No. Do I learn more? Yes.

Going out alone, you either swim or you sink. You have to be social or you will have a lame time, which means you will probably end up meeting more new people than if you came in a group. Can you do it as a natural? Yes, but becoming a natural isn't something that is God given, it is something that is learned through experience. How are you going to get comfortable going out alone if you never try it? You don't need alcohol either.

This

You really don't want to drink when you go out... AT ALL.

For several reasons...

1. Like skills said in his article, you destroy the possibility of creating reference experiences. You can not control alcohol to go directly and only to the portion of your brain that controls your inhibitions. It will fuck up your memory... and if you don't learn something, the night was a waste.

2. Girls don't like a guy who is sloppy drunk. There is a very, very, very fine line between "buzzed" and "throwing up on yourself." Do you really think a girl is going to want to come home with you to clean up your vomit? Do you really expect a girl to get in the car with you or even be seen with you as you are stumbling out of the club? I hope not.

3. You are forming your personality based around you being drunk. When you are sober, you won't have the same personality. Go out and build your personality in a clear state of mind. It might be a little bit more painful at first, but you will benefit much more in the long run.

My game is just completely gone if i'm hammered. I try to only spend €15 on a night out including into clubs(€5-€10). I might have a drink or two at home before heading out though.

No drinking is something I want to get into. It's hard if you're used to drinking before gaming but definitely possible.