Hey guys,

So I've refused to post infield video.... I feel it is a violation of a woman's privacy and disrespectful... Now there is a poster on here that is a newb (god I wish we fixed it to having over 50 posts only allowed to post in the lounge again) told me I'm unprofessional for not posting infield....

Now I've had other guys coming at me from all over the net... my website, youtube, on this forum... plenty of guys think I'm a keyboard jockey... And that is fine I'm not here to change opinions about me and simply don't care to. However, I would like to start an ethical discussion on posting infield to "show off" your skills.

My standpoint of it is I feel it's complete bull shit to do that to a woman, and honestly it violates some of my personal ethics from a humanity standpoint. Now this is something that I feel would violate my integrity as well, however I'm told that I'm "unprofessional" for not publishing pick up videos.

Do you guys feel as a PUA you are obligated to publish pick up videos? I personally am against and I won't change this belief simply because as I've stated "I have 3 sisters and if someone took video of them picking up my sister I'd want to kick the shit out of him."

Oh and does it make me a hypocrite for refusing to publish pick ups?
Where as I find it to be ridiculous to feel obligated to prove yourself.... It is a sign of low self-confidence to worry about what people think of you and to have to prove yourself... it is the same flaw I see with DHV... those with value don't need to demonstrate shit it radiates from them...

I personally don't give a shit what guys on a forum, I'm not here to prove myself to anyone... so if you think I'm a keyboard jockey simply because I don't have any infield video posted fine... but to say I lack confidence based on me not publishing videos is astoundingly retarded to me... especially considering how confident I operate... and since I have a confidence boot camp I find the statement even more ridiculous.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Yes and no:

Advantages:

1.-You can get a feel of the dude style, behavior and method in real time. That could help a newbie see if is congruent with you and your personality and how can you implement it on your game.

2.- It does make you put your money where your mouth is.

3.- It can be easier for a newbie to see theory and situation in practice.

4.- You can see the caliber of women the dude gets.(this is also a disadvantage i will cover in this response later)

5.- If you are promoting a product/coaching it can make you sell way more and make you more popular.

Disadvantages:

1.- It can be super misleading and kind of fictional. For example, i can spend 2 years approaching thousands of women, and edit my best 3 pick ups in a way that makes me look like super pimp master.

2.- ^ following the above, a newbie saw a video and start follow a method on false pretenses, will fuck up his confidence/belief system.

3.- It will fuck up your privacy and her privacy. Some of us value our privacy and we have professional lives outside of seduction.

4.- ^ Following the above. My parents are catholic(leader of churches), i teach little kids martial arts, and i do care about the women i seduce.

5.- Following the above since i care about the women i do seduce i may be betraying their trust. They may feel like shit.

6.- If you are on camara, you may develop a set of behaviors that are different from how you behave off camara. For example, if i am on camara i probably do better on my pu since i know i am being film so i would put a bit more effort and actually give a bit of a fuck.(i usually really do not give a fuck).

7.- This one ties to #4 in advantages. if your type for example my type is big butt, curvy women with no fake tits and that is my 10. I may have to seduce model type size 0 women with no ass and fake tits looking like she is 15 which is the typically community 10. So therefore i am forcing myself to attract women that would impress other dudes instead of my dick.


So there you have it! As i said kj or not it does not matter. What matter is does the advise help you get laid or closer to your goal, whatever that is or not.

David dangelo is considered a marketer and horrible seducer, his book "Dyd" help me tremendously..

Wm, sexaddict911, and yourself same shit.... People claim you are not legit and kjs. Is not worth to worry about shit like that, does the advise helps you or not with your goal. That is all i worry about.

As much as pua -hate fanatics sucks.

The anti-pua hate fanatics suck as much.

Notice how i use the word Fanatics, since puahate have a lot of good and valid points, so does the anti puahate

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I'm a doubter by nature. When I see an infield video, I always think: "Did this dude hire actresses or asked his lady friends to star in the video?"

My policy has always been: Check the science behind the idea and then test on field.

Now, will I post an infield video or sex video of myself? Nah. Not unless I'm selling my own PUA products, I'm not risking any criminal offense or public scandals from the girls I've sarged. I can get killed this way by an angry boyfriend or husband. What's the point?

We're here to learn from each other; not enter into an I-laid-more-women-than-you-did contest. But of course, I can see a great PUA when I go through his mindset and ideas and then test these infield. Some take longer than others while some I immediately know to be great.

It's a frame of reference based from experience. Hence, I know Stelar was on to something and SexAddict911 speaks the language of women.

But the biggest validation mechanism of them all, is to really test infield.

I always thought Chief was pulling our legs when he says, "Did you just say let's fuck?" to the girls he's sarging and girls giggle. But surprise... Girls burst into laughter (not just giggle) every time I use the same line infield; even the conservative girls are eating it up. It makes me really wonder because I find nothing funny with the line, in fact, it's very vulgar.

Of course, Vic devoted a lot of time and effort to help us all become sharper at reading and displaying body language I have no doubts that he's laying a lot of women whenever he wanted to. For the naive like the PUAHate marketers (Tiffany/Valkyrie/Murdoc), simple body language signs can get you laid with very little effort once you get good at it.

Videos can be faked but the reactions infield is what seals the truth.

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1. So you also should have enough confidence to pick up preteen girls and jump off buildings.
Confidence and common sense are two different things. If you put yourself at risk because of the exposure, and don't want to do it, don't do it.
I work with well-respected people and companies in a completely different field, and the last thing I would want is a video of me hitting on some girl popping up anywhere on the internet. Even worse, if a girl videotaped me approaching her and then put it online.
Other people deserve the same right of privacy.

2. You're not required to do anything you don't want to do. If you're in the business of teaching men how to be good with women, you CAN post videos to add to your teaching methods. If you don't want to, then don't.

I think it's beyond ridiculous that someone is telling you that you're required to post videos.

Notice how it's not a requirement to register with our real names on the forum.

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Almost forgot, the best material and best posters do not have infields: Mark Manson, 60 yoc, teevester, chase amante, sleazy, in10se, Razorjack, gunwitch etc...

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Polite version:

Dearest sweetie moderator poeticlyskuac,

In honor of your contribution, I kindly suggest you try to learn to think positively. You have a negative belief of believing that posting legit in field videos is "Proving yourself". Instead of thinking of it as proving yourself, you can think of it as inspiring other people to do better. You have to have the ability to re-frame your thinking patterns into a more positive version. Think of the legit in-field video as a way to motivate the procrastinators, the depressed people into taking action instead of sulking and not being happy.

Think of it as a way and a light to help guide the slightly mentally disabled people to learn better. Some people have different learning styles. Some people can only learn by step - by step visual example.

There is a reason why those angry, butthurt, miserable, suicidal, puahating virgins over at PUAhate FAILED.

We must be honest enough to admit our mistakes. I honestly admit, I failed them. We Failed them.
I will take responsibility for why they FAILED at PU.

We did not take into account the uniqueness of human beings.

We arrogantly ride on our high horse and failed to acknowledge that some people have different learning styles.
Each person utilizes varying faculties for learning.

Not everyone can learn through reading "LONG WALLS OF TEXT" by some keyboardjockeys.
Not everyone can learn by listening to some Long ass boring nauseating video lectures.

Some people have a sensory preference on how they learn.
Some people can only learn through OBSERVATION.

If we did not use a one style, fit all approach to our bootcamps some of them might had a chance to actually succeed.

But we pretended that our methods are superior. The truth is, it is all relative.

Of, course I always consider myself to be a newbie because in life, learning is never ending.


Hugs and Kisses,

X.O. - X.O. Valkyrie

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I don't believe it's a prequestity Vic. Women don't like to be branded whores or sluts and videos like that might make them feel that way (Not saying they'll ever find them) Obviously some guys post them to show their audience that it works (Dynamic Social Skills do that but censor their faces) Maybe it does help some people to actually 'see' and 'hear' it on a video. Personally I wouldn't do that, I figured telling the truth from personal experience is enough, no need to show evidence, if they don't believe me thats their opinion. I do tell some of my friends little stories about things i've done with women and experiences and all but I'd never mention her name or show them what she looks like (I might verbally describe her of course) They've all believed me up to this point even though most of them also know im not the most adept with women

I keep these things to text and word of mouth because that's all thats really needed, the story is in there and will interest most people. Posting videos sounds like buying and using a drawing tablet and expecting that alone to make you better at drawing, it doesn't, pen, paper and practice is what you really need. Your own experiences are what really matters, if you have a tonne of experience, good and bad in the bag, that will always beat throwing money at devices or materials. You're working hard to get your confidence program noticed without advertising, those who have used to so far (Myself included and don't mean to sound like a kiss-ass) have ALL been happy with it, those companies who rely mostly on flashy videos to get noticed will most likely get more negative feedback, be it price too high or the fact they put money before the customer. I know a girl who owns a small business shop with her mom, they sell a product for €55, other companies who advert sell it for €115, they're selling like hotcakes and the small shop is doing really well, all the customers are happy because they care about making them happy and not in it for the money, soon no-ones going to be shopping in the 'big' stores and they'll be bankrupt. Sorry if im going off track here but im just making examples

Bottom line, no, videos are no needed to prove anything. Besides, they're not 100% reliable anyway, possible video editors and actors and things like that will leave the more smart people skeptical

Peace

Matt

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Dear poster i admit my failures of not posting infield videos, so today i recorded myself fapping to Pokemon cartoons... Will post to provide street creed.... Thanks for your help!

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Courtship for me is a responsive situation you don't do the same thing with one as you do another....Observing me will teach you nothing because I don't exactly do the same thing twice. There are 1000 ways to skin a cat and watching me do it won't help you...

The other issue is watching me pick up chicks still doesn't change the fact that it is a violation of privacy and quite disrespectful... NOTHING YOU CAN DO WILL CHANGE THIS... LOL

Why do we give a fuck what happens at puahate? Stop mentioning it... none of that bull shit matters.... LOL All you are doing is marketing, if you continue to market you will be banned as 2 other members were banned... No longer mentioning another forum will help keep your membership in tact... because many of you guys have posted links to the other forum and have trolled (which is basically what you are doing now).

As far as it providing motivation to picking up chicks this just isn't true.... Anyone educated on self-limiting beliefs knows that knowledge plus motivation doesn't equal results.... Change your beliefs and your knowledge and motivation will be helpful.

You mention the uniqueness of human beings then fail to realize no courtship experience will be identical... wtf? Watching me pick up women will in no way help you get laid.... why? BECAUSE IN ORDER TO PICK UP WOMEN YOU MUST ACT not watch....

Plus if you watched how I worked you would think I was crazy because I start with a basic introduction and then simply let my confidence, self-esteem, and everything I've improved myself do the work in the courtship experience.... My style isn't about tips or tricks it's about the work I did on myself before I ever met the girl... this is my firm belief.

I don't owe you or anyone else an infield video.... I've created enough video for everyone to read attraction where ever they go... Simply go watch my show Does She Like Me? Show... Pretty simple. This is how I operate and you watching me go pick up a girl by an introduction via warm approach will not help you see what I see... all I do is look for signs of attraction then walk up to a girl... although I do cold approach sometimes my style of game focuses on warm approaches.

I do agree no method is superior and all are relative which is why I say even less point in producing videos of me picking up women for you or anyone else... Create your own frame to draw women in. It's also why I practice what biologist Timothy Perper calls a responsive rate in courtship. Are you really helping your argument with me posting video? NOPE.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Very good that is exactly my point, therefore by saying that watching means shit, you indirectly implied that all your long walls of text and video lectures are useless and pointless.

In a conclusion and a summary based on your premise, I can therefore say that these "LONG WALLS of mental masturbatory text and video lectures will not help anyone.

If it does not help anyone, it means you are a FRAUD --

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My point was simple watching me pick up chicks won't help you pick up chicks...

Watching my videos and other lectures helps in gaining assets to make your more skilled with women. Reading attraction is an asset... a tool to help you operate. However watching some other guy pick up women won't help you pick up women. My statement was quite obvious... now it's obvious you are trolling.

If you troll me one more time your name will be brought up to the other mods and we will discuss your behavior. It's obvious you are trolling the forum. This is a warning.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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The things she said are definitive proof that this person lacks the basic human "Empathy" to care for the suicidal depressed people over at some forums I can not mentioned.

Here is a list of the things she said
The moderator does not care about newbies. She does not care about their forum members. How can they be trusted if they do not care about their forum members. Lacks the human empathy required to be normal.
Everyone learns from everyone. There is no need to be arrogant. A new forum member = A new forum member. It does equate into being a newbie with girls. Post count does not mean lay count.

We are all learning from each other.

She thinks people who post video success are retards.

Guys let us remove the entire PUA in- field video sub section because a moderator told us that showing videos of being successful is retarded.

I am gonna remind you that your forum administrator Mr.Gambler(Richard La Ruina has in field videos).

A moderator saying that people posting videos about their successes is retarded ... is how u say in a polite way?... erhhmm

-- "Not right in the head" --


Accusing people who post videos of their successes as "retarded" when they they were just trying to post videos to inspire and motivate people to do better. To help give them a visual image on how to do things instead of LONG WALLS OF text is a little bit going too far. This very offensive to the people who are legitimately trying to help people.

You should be demoded.

You can't post legitimate in-field sex video evidence because you are fraud. You can't. You feel threatened and insecured. You went defensively making excuses after excuses.

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You've deleted parts of my sentences to absolve some of my credibility sir. This is an underhanded thing and I'm going to discuss your behavior with the mods as this is a form of flaming.... You are attempt is to hurt my reputation rather than have a mature conversation.

Your account will be temp banned while I discuss with the other forum mods your behavior... You are openly flaming me.

Peace and Love,

Vic

Valkyrie ....You are back... Just be careful and stay on topic. This is about the ethical discussion of putting infield up not about me or anyone else.

Thanks

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Watching videos are inspirational just like watching movies period!

Stop the arrogance. it helps.

I do not doubt anyone, what they write I will try it before being cynical, just because someone insults u does not mean that they do not have some validity.

Some people are incapable of criticizing in a polite way. That's life.

Just to make it clear I do not require anyone to post videos. To those that do post I do appreciate it.

Anyone who posts anything is after validation so online if u want significance then some people will expect u to compete with infield posters. I will add a moderate level of validation is not bad, but validation addiction is a killer.

Finally written posts I do value and I make no demands, I value the time u guys put in, I do not care what your motivations are.

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WO.ot? sleazetard?


@skills360, You have presented me with a dilemna,

A dilemna can not be solved, unless I think outside the box, re-position my thought patterns and shift my perspective. Instead of thinking it as a dilemna, I have to think
of it as a conflict.

In a dilemna --- all must win.
In a conflict ---- only 1 or a few must win.

SET A: The PUAs' - Mark Manson, 60 yoc, teevester, Chase Amante, in10se, Razorjack, gunwitch etc..
I especially love Chase Amante, he is one of the most brilliant writers I've encountered.
60 yoc is an online buddy from several years ago. The rest are also good in their own rights.

But you mixed

SET B: The Anti - PUA. -- Aaaron Sleazy

How can I destroy an ANTI - PUA internet marketing scammer like aaron sleazy without destroying my pua friends?

Etymology of "legit".

Legit - as in legal, lawful. Short for legitimate.

Legitimate - conforming to the recognized principles or accepted rules and standards.

The accepted rules and standard to be proven legitimate is through systematic evaluation
of your credibility.

Credibility - means to prove that you are trustworthy. To be credible means to have been objectively verified of your experty.

This anti-pua that you've mentioned has not provided any quantifiable veracity to be objectively judge as trustworthy and reliable or what they consider as "CREDIBLE."

All this aaron sleazetard does is make derogatory attacks on pua's based on invalid, illogical and fallacious statements. All he provides are emotionally charged hate speech. Making false accusations,defamations, libel and slander against the PUA's.

Unfair and deceptive practices like e.g. Indirectly disparaging of business competitors.

Charging for SPAM consultation and advice. Yet, hypocritically, Aaoron sleazy states PUA's are scammers because we charge our students dollars for "common sense advice which has been around for ages."


and What does he do? Makes money out of SPAM consultation, dispensing common sense advice which has been around for ages to angry FAILED pua's who have been scammed by frauds.

what in gods abomination is this?

and you dare mentioned his name.

Is your definition of a pua so pitifully mediocre as to relegate the term PUA's simply as keyboard jockeys, then I pity the fools who bought your pua products.

Keyboard Jockeys aren't legit PUA's.
Scammers aren't legit PUA's.

Your misplaced anger and fanatical worshiping of an ANTI - PUA is based on your distorted definition of PUA's.

what does this anti - pua internet marketing scammer accuses us of? (referring to the sleazetard guy)

a. PUA's are scammers because in america, getting sex from an american girl is the easiest thing to do because american girls are slutty.

Again, strawman. Not all of us are in fucking america.

b. PUA's are scammers because all they do is pick - up drunken party girl/bar sluts.

Another strawman, Not of all of us go to bars and clubs you fucking knit - wit.

c - d - e - f- g and so on so fourth and endless fallacies.

I wish he would have his internet marketing contract cancelled. No good, lousy scammer.

Do not pollute the forum with his anti - pua ideas, it is sickening.


DISCLAIMER: Peace and love to the PUA's Mark Manson, 60 yoc, teevester, Chase Amante, in10se, Razorjack, gunwitch etc..
I totally support your pua products and have bought your pua products at amazon and will continue to buy and support your pua products in the future. No bad intentions. Any harm or damage is purely coincidental.

except for the anti - pua internet marketer Aaaoron sleazy.

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