Hey guys. I don't want this to sound like a personal blog, and this may just be me... But has anyone else wondered if PUA is spoiling them? Last night I went on a date with an older chick (like 27-28) HB7 (quite decent physically), and she was going wild about it, but a prude. I'd escalate physically, she'd stop me, I'd escalate again, etc etc. When I froze out and stopped kino she'd jump on my arm again and try to re-engage. Honestly at this point I've found that I actually get bored and lose interest when a girl doesn't let me keep escalating (this one wouldn't even make out consistently)... and the push-pull happens naturally... Eventually I just got tired of it and dropped her off at home (no bitterness, polite, just too lazy). I knew I could probably get laid by the end of the night but was just too lazy to keep doing push pull all night. She said it made her sad and asked me if she'd see me again. I said "sure" (with no intention of bothering), and left. I'd go sarging if I wasn't running off of 2 hours of sleep the night before (tons of work).
A couple hours later she texts me, I text back, she says she's going to go to drink some more at bars, I tell her to let me know if she decides she wants to have sex instead, she does a shocked reaction, and I fall asleep. Now she's texting me about meeting up again to see my part of town, and I'm legitimately not interested in another date, even though I'm 99% sure it would lead to sex, if it means I have to spend another 3 hours talking to her...

With other girls, if I don't get a heavy makeout the first date, I don't call for a second one, and in general I noticed I don't care to put any effort in to getting sex anymore because I know I can get it somewhere else easier.
I've gotten used to the 3 hour score. Meet a girl, talk for 30 mins, do a 3 hour date on day 2, and have sex...
So my question to you guys is, do you think PUA teaches us all to jump for the low hanging pretty fruit (the easy HBs that look good but tend to be pretty shitty GFs (aka sluts)), and drive us away from quality women that would make good LTRs?

Oh and of course, trust issues... Can anyone here really trust women after sleeping with the n-th girl that turns out to have a BF?

What the fuck can be said about this other than that you have to make up the balance for yourself how much it is worth to you to have seks with a particular chick.

i completely understand what your saying. I find myself completely uninterested in putting work past a certain point, but realize that i may be losing out as a result. I think the thing to ask yourself is if you actually want a LTR. If you do, run the same game your doing, but continue to work even if you don't fuck her right away. I believe you need a girl with morals, as opposed to the loosely moral women we both seem to be fucking.

Realize that the harder you work at your level of game, the more likely it is she will be faithful in a LTR. On the plus side, it sounds like your better at game than almost all men (if you really think about it), so if she takes a long time to put out for you, then she will most certainly not put out for anyone else while she is in a relationship with you.

Obviously you didn't have good chemistry with that girl, if you did you would want to spend time with her. Nothing wrong with not wanting to spend time with someone your not enjoying your time with.
I feel like you should think about this statement. What makes you so sure that a women who will sleep with you on the first date is any worse of a girl friend then a girl that won't? That is an awful lot of assuming to do based on one variable. Now obviously this varies based on the values your looking for but I've known doctors, lawyers and even pastors daughters who have had sex on a first date. I've also known strippers, camgirls and the clinically insane who never do it on the first date regardless of chemistry.

In my opinion it's something fluid, if you have good chemistry and both want to then is that such a bad thing? Maybe it is and maybe it's not depending on your own moral code, but I think it's something to consider.