Hi everyone,

For the last few years I been studying the works of the like of Mystery, Neil Strauss and David D. The Game really opened my eyes to the seduction community. There were moments were I got good at it but then I lost a lot of it as I didn't keep practising and I got way too drunk when I went out.

But recently I came across the 60 year challenge- and WOW did that impress me! It changed my entire thinking of pick up and I feel it is a lot more EFFECTIVE than anything else I ever come across. As someone said LESS is MORE. I love the sexual escalation of it.

So I tried to apply it and it WORKED for me the first time round!

But last night I tried it and it didn't seem to work. I got a few questions about this strategy, if you guys could help me that would be great.

1. This strategy seems to work best if the girl is alone. But I noticed from last night that is she is with a friend and you don't have a wing man it is very hard to get it right. I saw this really hot girl and I just went up to her and shook her hand (introduced myself) and kept holding it. I also was looking at her straight in the eyes. She held contact and kept her hand and did all the talking (she was qualifying herself to me). But then her friend came in and whisked her away and that was the end of it. Later that night I saw her and her friend going home with two guys who picked them up at that bar. I did a stupid thing and asked her for her number as she was leaving and she gave me a big fat NO (surprise!). I also tried this several times with a group of girls but it didn't work. So how do you pull this off with friends around? How can fast seduction work that way? Most times girls will not be alone in bars or clubs they will have friends. Does this mean this works better in day game?

2. I like the idea that you need to work your way fast with this fast seduction technique and within a minute you can tell whether a set is worth investing in or not because the goal is to be SEDUCTIVE not SOCIAL. But I do feel by doing that you are also missing out. Some girls thought I was creepy when I was just staring at them and went to touch them. I know 60 says you want to be considered creepy and you want to get rejected. Does that make sense? But how come the other guys went home with the hot girls and not me?

3. Do you think getting drunk hurts your game? In your pick up/seduction do you ever offer to buy a girl a drink within 5 minutes of meeting her?

If you guys could help me out with this that would be great. As I'm really psyched about 60 years challenge and think it takes PUA to a whole new level!

If you guys can answer any/all, comment on a small bit, that would be much appreciated.

Cheers,
Mark

Well this is something I keep experiencing.

I have to admit 60 opened my eyes about a lot of stuff that seemed important to me but really weren`t.
The guy indeed takes this to a new level, but same as you, I`ve tryied it and it doesn`t work with me.

Main reason I keep failing couse once you`ve read that guy theory you start seeing things with another perspective.

I can jump into 2 conclusions here:
Either we are doing something wrong about the theory; or that method simply does not work with the kind of girls we approach/ see/ interact with.

Read the 60 manifesto and evaluate the points you used in the interaction and the ones you didn`t. That might give you some clue.

I got to clubs a lot. The best thing I can say is don't drink in reality you will remember her name know what your saying and what you are doing. If your drunk you will approach 20 girls but assume they are into you and game them when in reality you totally are creeping them out. Be conscious of what your doing it helps with the next day when you think about what goes wrong or right. I don't drink at all i save my money because who would pay 5-6$ for drinks to get wasted when your in the venue to pick up girls.

You said you read MM and neil strauss. Disengage the friend with their material. Use the best friend opener or something to engage both of them. Then isolate the girl again and use your canned material of 60 years. Remember what Mystery said "Women of beauty are rarely alone". He is absolutely right no girl would be left alone there are creeps at clubs they know it. Guys use openers like "Babe my love for you is like diariah i just can't hold it in" I kid you not i heard this once.

Best bet just stick to the other material and then use your 60 years challenge when they alone. I never read it but maybe if you give me more info on how it works i can't caliberate on how to use a mix of stuff to make it work. Your best bet in clubs is to use Mystery openers, Neil Strauss Short story + games, NLP then end with ross jefferies cube or any of his hypnotic stuff. That is how i go into the game. There isn't one way of doing it but a caliberation of all stuff.

Read my 30 day challenge it will note my game so far!!!

Do not follow it word by word as an instruction, simply adapt the main principles towards your own game. If you see taht something is not working, make adjustments to match the situation.

I actually did some reading about the 60 year challenge technique in this forum- and the general consensus I am getting is it doesn't really work for everyone and if it does work it is normally good for clubs.

I would love to hear more about your experiences and thoughts of this system, especially compared to others?

Do you understand 60's stuff is SEDUCTION?

He mentions it himself that there is a social phase but its very short and not as 'fun'.

He says to show your social side through talking to her friends.

Also don't be a drone when using his lower energy stuff, he's just saying to be more chill and keep up ST compared to MM style.

Thats what people need to keep in mind; he's coming from a frame of REALLY OLD SCHOOL pick up. So a lot of people's 'problem' with 60's method is generally because they take it to far or read it like dogma.

Also his method will, in general, require a few more approaches - it is more of a numbers game as you're not giving her any other reason to be there.

It takes practice though, how many nights have you gone out using it, any FR's?

Yes I do understand it- so what are you saying 60 years challenge is a pure numbers game?

Are you sacrificing the chance the meet a very hot and interesting HB (by using attraction techniques) by putting her off for the chance to fuck a less hotter HB that night?

It seems with this fast seduction technique you will get laid provided you put in the numbers but it might come at a cost, you are probably going to miss out on meeting some of the girls you wanted to attract because they are put off by this overly direct approach.

I did try this one night, on a Saturday night and it didn't work for me. I tried it on 10 different girls. I may very well have been doing something wrong.

I've found 60's method good for getting a girl turned on real fast but that's all. At best you get her number and try to rekindle that feeling for a day 2. But yeah, you have little chance against a social guy who wins the group over.

If you're a regularly social guy who just needs help closing the deal, 60 is for you. But if you have trouble with all standard bar/club interactions, you're better off with a more complete method like MM.

Do not drink, you do not need to drink to get women, if you drink just enough to losen up, but the best scenario do not drink, i do not drink, been going out for more than a decade, i have a wing that need 7 beers to game, that is for me fake confidence
best existing pua material in my opinion, but the problem is that you still need to do other things, if you want to keep the girl around. The other problem is people re so inflexible with the method, i have a friend that does everything exactly at 60 says, he does not calibrate, or adapt to situation, therefore, he success is limited, look for my threat in the lounge "problems with natural game"
hot women are seldom alone, i rather not to game girls that are alone, since most of the time they are lost or looking for their friend, in other words, when i girl is along expect her friends to show up at some time, you fail to befriend the friend and introduce yourself to her frind " hey i am skills, i just met your friend hb, extend your hand and shake her friends hand or hi five her, give her brief attention , then go back to game the original target. People here have the creepy part all wrong, is being more sexual, sensual, escalating the sex vibe, is not being a creep. As i said read my "problems with natural game post" Getting drunk does not hurt your game, it just delay your progress, imo, and is unnecessary, is a waste of time(you need to wait for the alcohol kicks in, you need to wait for the bar tender), is expensive, and is false confidence.

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Thanks for your post skills360. It is very helpful and I did read your post of problems with natural game with I also found very helpful.

Got two follow up questions for you:

1. You said do not rely solely on 60 years challenge and being able to adapt to situations. What other PUA technique would you recommend I use to combine with 60 years challenge. I am having a hard time finding out that is very newbie friendly and easy to test out and practice with.

2. I'm really interested in dance floor game. You said you writing something on it. Have you finished it? Can we access it?

I am glad it help, remember they are not originally mine... There is not universal method or technique that works, but some methods are more efficient, and higher success than others. The most important part is field experience, and to associate with a guy that is successful in a niche, my niche is dance floor game, but with that being said look for commonalities in methods and adapt them to you and your personality. I like some stuff on psycology from david d for example, i like some stuff from Vin Dicarlo attraction code, and you can watch rsd free tours, they have good stuff... Also read sex god by rose, you need to be good in bed.
Yes is finished, i am trying to edit it, my gf, says she will edit a page a day, i will also put dance videos that will help a lot too... Most important part is the field experience, not any method or magic line, as long as your are not trying to impress and you follow some basic stuff, you should be ok. Work out, go tanning, dress decent, get a haircut.... Any other stuff pm me.

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The way I see it, there is nothing wrong with 60's method but in the way you interpreted it. You see, 60 comes from the old school pickup community. So, when he says in his book, just open and expect the first set to go bad he mean use MM to open however, quickly ignore the group and get to talking to the HB(s).

And no, his stuff is not that good for day game unless you know what you are doing.