I guess this is the mentality I never really learned about success but something I have learned over the years.

Now I want to do a lot of things in my life. One of the things I want to do is consistently date the kind of good looking girls I am attracted to (in this case White and some Latin). I have had my struggles some days and have blamed it on outside things. All these beautiful blondes I would crush on would only go with White men in my area and this messed up my inner game because I was a brown guy so I went online to seek help.

I slowly came to a realization. Only a select few number of people out there want you to succeed. Most people out there would love it if you were miserable, lonely, and on the verge of going insane rather than happy and surrounded by beautiful women in your life.

Your failure validates their status in society, if you fail then that means thing stay the way they are. Yet, if you succeed, then that means their status in society is downgraded since there is one extra person out there.

They REALLY hate it when an average guy wants to be successful. See, society cannot handle an average guy being successful. It is the main reason you have sites like PUAHate and Roosh V Forums who are at every corner telling a guy he can't have success with women.

Why do they do this?

The reason is that most people out there are not successful. Most men out there are not going to sleep with a lot of women in their lives. When they see an average guy who isn't born with superb genetics become successful, it KILLS their excuses. They no longer have an excuse and a reason to just lay around. Yet, some people have an excuse still. They will say that the short guy who is dating a beautiful girl that the girl isn't really that beautiful. They will say that the guy just got lucky and is an "anomaly". They will say that he must be really rich and successful.

We have all heard of the misery loves company quite, well you can apply it to this thread. No one wants to be the only guy who is having absolutely no success with women. So what they do is they lure you in. They tell you to quit your dreams and only a small number of guys born with all the right genetics can be successful with women. First they tell you to just give up but then after they realize you aren't going to do that, they do their best to actively make sure you fail (they cockblock you, they spread rumors about you, etc.).

Where does the hate for PUAs come in?

PUAs provide something to these ambitious young guys that majority of the world tries to take away from them; hope and confidence. See, PUAs are these interlopers that FOIL the plans of everyone else who are trying to discourage this young guy from having dating success. So they say PUAs are clowns, they say PUAs don't know what they are doing, and they make up all sorts of nonsense about them. Anything they can do to get the PUAs out of the picture. With PUAs out of the picture, this young guy is all alone, now society can drill into his head that he will never be successful.

I realized this a bit too late. I was wondering why in the world are people trying to come after my life for saying I want to date certain kinds of women on the internet and why are they trying to make me out to be this really bad person when I am just seeking advice. Then I realized that only a select few people are successful in the art of pickup and those are the people who try to give others motivation. For the majority that are failures, their satisfaction comes from telling others they can't do it and actively stopping them from being successful.

So, now knowing this is the case, how do you deal with that reality?

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Good post. But a lot of it implies that PUA's are a bunch of guys that start from ground 0, hopeless desperation to Don Juan's. Respect to Gambler, but even he admits he didn't get laid till 23 and then turned his life around. Yeah, I got laid in high school, I was a bit of a natural but am always learning seeking to fill in the gaps.

Yeah, this is true though. Top dogs don't want you dating their caliber of women and want to establish complacency and all. I think it's a load of sh*t but at the same time I do see some self-pronounced "PUA's" in my colleges Greek system and these guys are just god awful.

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truth. good post. It's one of the reasons I find certain forums such as this, RSD nation and the Bodybuilding misc so enjoyable. It has this group mindset that we together as a group of guys are going to beat the odds, improve ourselves and achieve our goals. Fuck the haters, the scroungers and people that can't be bothered. "We are all gonna make it brah".
And it works, myself included I've seen so many people around these parts who start low and go on a rampage and achieve all kinds of things. e.g sick physiques, confidence, women, choice etc...

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you know I would still like to know more about how you and other middle eastern and brown dudes managed to do so well in Europe right?

Like I haven't had a chance to talk to an Indian, Arabic, or Asian guy who is successful with women and can offer me his insights and experiences. It seems like when it comes to race and pickup, the only people allowed to talk about race are Black and White men and that is it. I find it unfair since I can benefit SO MUCH from hearing about the experiences of an Indian or Asian or Middle Eastern or even Latino guy.

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I'm genuinely not bothered, paramount, but didn't you say this not long ago:
Do you think you might need to go to race post rehab or something?

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meant to say no more race threads

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The thing is the school I went to, the Uni I currently attend as well as the cities I have lived in have all been very multicultural. I don't identify myself as being foreign really, I see myself as British with some cool ethnic heritage. I have never really encountered any discriminatory racism (aside from casual jokes with friends), if a girl has ever rejected me purely by race I wouldn't know. So it's something I never dwell on, it's outside my reality for me to be hated on for looking ethnically different so I just don''t care and get on with it. In fact if it does come up because I look slightly different (tanned skin, bright coloured eyes) I just say guess... ah I have arabic (i name the country won't here) heritage and I'm pretty proud of it, it has changed nothing.
I kind of look like this




If that helps

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So basically Radar, what you're saying is that race has never been an issue for you because you've never made it an issue. Now I agree entirely. And Paramount, this is what virtually everyone on the boards has been saying to you all the time pal. Ultimately nothing is an issue unless you make it one. Inner confidence and comfort in your self will get you past anything. As Radar says, some girls might have rejected him because of his ethnicity but he hasn't dwelled on it because ultimately it's no different to a girl rejecting me because I've got blonde-ish hair instead of black hair.

In the same way that you like a specific type of girl, some girls will not like you because you're not the specific type of man that they like. But you can apply that logic to personality, sense of humour (doesn't like sarcastic guys for example), eye colour, job you've got, wealth, hair colour, height, weight, bicep size, tricep size, shoulder size, quad size, etc. etc. etc. Ultimately it might be a deal breaker for some girls. But it's only going to be a deal breaker for a very small minority of girls.

Unless that is you make it into a deal breaker in your own head. Which you seem to be doing. If you've decided in your own head that no white girls are going to like you for whatever reason, then probably no white girl is going to like you because you've got this massive great chip on your shoulder which ruins your chances with them. Therefore what would be an issue for only a very small minority of girls becomes an issue for a much larger number simply because you've made it one.

The one thing that has bothered me ENDLESSLY is that there are so many Arabs/Middle Eastern men in places like France for example yet you never hear of them hooking up with White women in that country. On the flip side you hear of a lot of Black men doing it.

Unlike you, I went to school in an area that was mostly Black and White, I was the only brown kid. When it came to women, I had no role model growing up that could show me the way. I still have not known a Brown guy outside of myself in real life who has managed to score with girls who are White and neither have I heard of any. Which is why I asked hoping that I could find some Indian guy who can share his experience with me on being good with women. Like so many things go on in my head about this.

Before 2010, I never thought about race. After it, I have thought about race obsessively some days and believe me, I would really love to stop. Like I said, I overanalyze the situation. Like if you have so many Brown men in France and say Germany for example, well then why in the world are they not hooking up with local women?

If you have so many Indians and Pakistanis in the UK, then why is it not that common to see them hook up with White girls in that country? (not that I am interested in British women but it comes to my mind a lot)

Which is why I thought about it obsessively.

Now I have gotten laid by White women in the US and have found that this supposed Indianness about me has been an exotic advantage. Yet, I have heard so many bad things about how ruthless society in European countries is towards Arabs and Persians but treats Black and White people well. Which is why I want to get to the bottom of this and which is the number 1 reason I passed up a chance to go to Sweden this December.

The idea of being in a completely foreign land and having no clue about it scares me. And yes if I travel to another country, I expect to score based on my game and what I exude, I don't want to travel to a country where 90 percent of all women are going to associate me with a gypsy and reject me.

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A lot of south Asians/Muslims, even though they live in Europe, are brought up in their ancestral culture, which doesn't think highly of messing around. They are also often put through arranged marriages with someone of the same background.
Go with a travel companion or look for someone local you could meet up with.
I think that could only be a possibility in eastern Europe. All major European cities west of the former Iron Curtain are very cosmopolitan.

uh dude, believe me, p*ssy is p*ssy

Indian culture puts White skin on the pedestal so there is NO WAY IN HELL some Indian parent is going to oppose their son marrying a White woman. Arabs consider themselves White anyways, so it is pretty obvious, they want White women but why isn't the match happening is what I wonder.

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Since celebrities are easily verifiable, let's look at two examples:



Nicole Scherzinger's biological father is a brown guy who banged her white woman mother.



Lou Diamond Phillips has Indian blood. Cherokee.

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Nicole's mom is Half White and Half Hawaiian, doesn't count.

Let me clear things up. I have done well in the US and when I have struggled it has not been because of my race. I feel that a lot of the hate in the US might be directed towards Mexican and in some cases Black people but rarely towards Indians or even Arabs. Like I have met so many women down here in the south who are intrigued and wowed by the looks of Middle Eastern men and some who love Indian men too. Reason is, there aren't many Indian and Arabic people in the US in general so those two races end up being exotic. Same thing with Brazilians too. If I mess up in the US, I can blame it on bad game because the hate isn't that concentrated towards Indians here.

Now I do want to travel to Europe and hook up with women there but the WHOLE continent has seen a flood of Arabic immigrants and in some countries like France for example, there is a strong hatred towards them.

I had to say no to a chance to go to Sweden because I was scared that I would be rejected based on race alone and NOTHING ELSE. Like people will say go there and try it but let me make things clear for you guys:

1. Trips take money, a lot of money

2. The stuff is expensive, pretty expensive, it takes a lot of time and financial investment

I don't want to travel to a given country and end up realizing that 95 percent of the women in say Paris hate men of my appearance because of bad stereotypes that exist.

That is my issue. One part of me wants to travel and meet new people but the other is very worried that his ethnic appearance is going to pretty much kill his chances of scoring. So if I talk to and meet Indians, Arabs, Persians, or heck even Brown Hispanic men who have scored there then that gives me some confidence that it isn't as big of a disability or even one at all.

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Bullshit. Racist motherfucker.



Comedian Ogie Alcasid and Michelle van Eimeren, former Miss Australia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_van_Eimeren

Mutya Buena



Her father is a brown guy who banged her mother; an Irish woman.

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Believe me I have UK indian friends who have hooked up with/ gf'd several attractive white women. I could hypothetically post their pictures now and all their 'conquests' but obviously I won't on a public forum. Just chill, cool guys who are not 'fresh' but ethnic still make their way sexually in their new countries.

It'd be hypocritical of me to bash your limiting beliefs because we all have them about different things.
For example a big one for me is height (about 5'7-5'8), I have it way worse than you. How many times am I surrounded by people especially on the internet who shit talk short guys, bullshit from people when younger, saying they are inferior men, unattractive blah blah blah.

But what the fuck can I do about it: I dress well, get jacked, work on my life in general and get good at pick up. I just god damn accept it and don't cry about. As a result, it never ever comes up, I don't care and I get chicks.
I'll admit its easy now: I have the reference experiences in my head, I've almost never been called out on it in field, I know plenty of guys sub 5'7 who pull like crazy and I literally couldn't give a shit.

Come on dude get your shit together and get on with it.

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