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 Post subject: PUA Wishful Thinking
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:13 am 
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I wrote a post on arrogance and confidence last week. The hallmark of arrogance is relying on something that is not reliable, relying on whisful thinking. I think wishful thinking may be prevalent in PUA. The first reason is that there is no statistical analysis or direct correlation to prove technique besides personal experience and that opens the door for self-deception. If you talk to more girls you will get more girls because you give yourself more opportunities (you take more shots then you score more) and to do this would just be a little more confidence. Pua in a way can work as a sugar bill that allows you to take more shots. The second reason PUA lends its self to wishful thinking is because guys want to believe that they can get girls. There is so much pride and sex drive involved in this its easy to want to decieve yourself.

Without any particular method.....

Three things will certainly attract women: Respect, Muscles, and Money.

Three things are very important: Confidence, Gift of Gab (persuasion and inspiration), and Style.

There are two things that I have taken from methods....

negs-I was originally was against negs because I saw them as manipulative, hurtful, insincere (acting like you don't like someone you actually want), making you look like an asshole, and morally wrong (behaving as if you are better than another person. I saw the neg as attracting someone by disapproving of someone in order to make them seek your approval because it is a statement of disinterest. However, sometimes guys can only think about how attractive a girl is and just totally forget her shit stinks. You get so focus on her beauty that you forget everything else. Negging keeps you objective, seeing the things you don't like about a person.

I also like stories. These take time to prepare, but are great for developing value and comfort. I like stories so much that I think they may be better for value than negs. Also, stories are very important because they are good for setting an impression and thats really all the game is about setting a good lasting impression.


With all that said I still can't say what is really working at all times.


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 Post subject: Re: PUA Wishful Thinking
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:47 am 
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Without any particular method.....

Three things will certainly attract women: Respect, Muscles, and Money.

Three things are very important: Confidence, Gift of Gab (persuasion and inspiration), and Style.

There are two things that I have taken from methods....
Wanted to make you aware of a few things because I think your beliefs are a bit limited to what reality is. You think all these thing will automatically get you more women in your life but in all honesty, they wont.

Respect- comes from inside. Having respect for yourself is what is important. Not everyone will always respect you. Hell, no matter how successful you are, MOST people will not respect you. People want to see others fail. Period. Nobody will respect you until you learn how to respect yourself without needing others. Look at someone like Lil' Wayne. Some people respect him. Most people don't. But he respects himself. It is his STATUS that will get him women.

Muscles- If that isn't a crock of shit if I've ever heard. Muscle has nothing to do with being good with women. Women look for survival value. Muscle in today's society will not help you survive. You don't walk out of your house to fight off armies of people just to get to chopping a pile of wood anymore. Modern day society does not require a man to be "muscular." Men who base their masculinity upon their muscularity are victims of social conditioning. They see all the Jersey Shore bull shit and think that's whats necessary to get women. Doesn't matter. If anything, being TOO muscular will turn women off because it is intimidating. (extreme example... body builder Ronnie Coleman. No women will EVER feel comfortable around him because of his excessive muscularity. Same as with Lil' Wayne... it is his status) Being HEALTHY however, different story.

Money- Dude, you're lying to yourself. Money means nothing unless you have some gold digger who wants to spend it all. Again, its status. Look at rockstars, professional athletes, movie stars, whatever... They didn't sign those contracts for the money. They signed the contracts for the status. To be able to say "Yeah, I'm a pro baseball player" Money is a by product that allows them to live the lifestyle that they want to get the women who look for someone in that status. Its working towards being congruent with their stories. They are known as "the best." Whatever you are doing with your life, strive to be the best at it and I promise you, money won't matter. In all honesty, most of the girls that are with me make more money than I do. But I have the status of a business owner and a successful entrepreneur.


Confidence- is a fucking state of mind. I can't stand when people say "I don't have enough confidence to talk to her" WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Confidence is a feeling. It is a series of chemical reactions in your brain that cause you to feel a particular way at a certain time. EVERYONE has felt confident before. Doing something or saying something, you know what it feels like to be CONFIDENT. That feeling grows through developing COMPETENCE in a particular area. Having a knowledge of the task at hand, knowing what needs to happen in order to reach a certain outcome.

Gift of Gab- This is simply being personable. Having the ability to make people feel comfortable in any given social scenario. (I used to sell cars so this was something that I had to develop) It's really social intuition. Being able to understand people. But it is not something that will get you women. It will make you "socially savvy" however, which is very important in pick-up.

Style- Your style does have to do with how women will view you. You may have an ATTRACTIVE style... but that will not all the sudden make women whip your dick out in the middle of a bar and beg for you to paint their face white. Your style simply has to be "unique." It doesn't have to be expensive clothing or anything like that. My style is fucking weird but its me and I really don't care. That's what makes it "unique." When I go out, instead of wearing your typical Ralph Lauren button down with designer jeans... I wear a hoodie, a custom made shit that my friend who owns a t-shirt company prints for me, some type of jeans with some pop to them or cargo pants, my labret is pierced, i wear a beanie or some type of hat, my hair is long, I wear a necklace of some type, a braclet on each wrist, sometimes a ring, and usually I'll have headphones around my neck and a pair of interesting boots/gym shoes that fit my style. having a unique style is really just knowing what you like, not being afraid to wear it out, and knowing how to piece everything together so you know how to light the place up by your looks. But having style alone.... Will simply get you weird looks like you are some type of psycho lol For example, take someone who is new to PUA and have them dress like Mystery does... They will be in the bathroom for the whole night or immediately out to the car to change.

They things you pointed out are really what a high value man is... But you've kinda got the wrong idea about it. Wanted to clarify that for you so you don't think you have to be some rich, sleezy, scumbag in order to be successful with women.


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 Post subject: Re: PUA Wishful Thinking
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:51 am 
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Without any particular method.....

Three things will certainly attract women: Respect, Muscles, and Money.

Three things are very important: Confidence, Gift of Gab (persuasion and inspiration), and Style.

There are two things that I have taken from methods....
Wanted to make you aware of a few things because I think your beliefs are a bit limited to what reality is. You think all these thing will automatically get you more women in your life but in all honesty, they wont.

Respect- comes from inside. Having respect for yourself is what is important. Not everyone will always respect you. Hell, no matter how successful you are, MOST people will not respect you. People want to see others fail. Period. Nobody will respect you until you learn how to respect yourself without needing others. Look at someone like Lil' Wayne. Some people respect him. Most people don't. But he respects himself. It is his STATUS that will get him women.

Muscles- If that isn't a crock of shit if I've ever heard. Muscle has nothing to do with being good with women. Women look for survival value. Muscle in today's society will not help you survive. You don't walk out of your house to fight off armies of people just to get to chopping a pile of wood anymore. Modern day society does not require a man to be "muscular." Men who base their masculinity upon their muscularity are victims of social conditioning. They see all the Jersey Shore bull shit and think that's whats necessary to get women. Doesn't matter. If anything, being TOO muscular will turn women off because it is intimidating. (extreme example... body builder Ronnie Coleman. No women will EVER feel comfortable around him because of his excessive muscularity. Same as with Lil' Wayne... it is his status) Being HEALTHY however, different story.

Money- Dude, you're lying to yourself. Money means nothing unless you have some gold digger who wants to spend it all. Again, its status. Look at rockstars, professional athletes, movie stars, whatever... They didn't sign those contracts for the money. They signed the contracts for the status. To be able to say "Yeah, I'm a pro baseball player" Money is a by product that allows them to live the lifestyle that they want to get the women who look for someone in that status. Its working towards being congruent with their stories. They are known as "the best." Whatever you are doing with your life, strive to be the best at it and I promise you, money won't matter. In all honesty, most of the girls that are with me make more money than I do. But I have the status of a business owner and a successful entrepreneur.


Confidence- is a fucking state of mind. I can't stand when people say "I don't have enough confidence to talk to her" WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Confidence is a feeling. It is a series of chemical reactions in your brain that cause you to feel a particular way at a certain time. EVERYONE has felt confident before. Doing something or saying something, you know what it feels like to be CONFIDENT. That feeling grows through developing COMPETENCE in a particular area. Having a knowledge of the task at hand, knowing what needs to happen in order to reach a certain outcome.

Gift of Gab- This is simply being personable. Having the ability to make people feel comfortable in any given social scenario. (I used to sell cars so this was something that I had to develop) It's really social intuition. Being able to understand people. But it is not something that will get you women. It will make you "socially savvy" however, which is very important in pick-up.

Style- Your style does have to do with how women will view you. You may have an ATTRACTIVE style... but that will not all the sudden make women whip your dick out in the middle of a bar and beg for you to paint their face white. Your style simply has to be "unique." It doesn't have to be expensive clothing or anything like that. My style is fucking weird but its me and I really don't care. That's what makes it "unique." When I go out, instead of wearing your typical Ralph Lauren button down with designer jeans... I wear a hoodie, a custom made shit that my friend who owns a t-shirt company prints for me, some type of jeans with some pop to them or cargo pants, my labret is pierced, i wear a beanie or some type of hat, my hair is long, I wear a necklace of some type, a braclet on each wrist, sometimes a ring, and usually I'll have headphones around my neck and a pair of interesting boots/gym shoes that fit my style. having a unique style is really just knowing what you like, not being afraid to wear it out, and knowing how to piece everything together so you know how to light the place up by your looks. But having style alone.... Will simply get you weird looks like you are some type of psycho lol For example, take someone who is new to PUA and have them dress like Mystery does... They will be in the bathroom for the whole night or immediately out to the car to change.

They things you pointed out are really what a high value man is... But you've kinda got the wrong idea about it. Wanted to clarify that for you so you don't think you have to be some rich, sleezy, scumbag in order to be successful with women.
Thank you for the response.

I want to clarify. When I said respect I meant respect from others and that gives you status. I suppose you could say something like a good reputation or just being popualr. As far as muscles, from my experience women get a sexual rush from seing a muscle bound man. Its almost like a primitive desire to be sexually dominated. Also, women find muscles aesthicall pleasing...guys are fitness "models" for that reason. Money will get you women because you can provide her with an exclusive lifestyle...a house no one else can, a car no one else can, trips no one else can, gifts no one else can.


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 Post subject: Re: PUA Wishful Thinking
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:16 am 
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Without any particular method.....

Three things will certainly attract women: Respect, Muscles, and Money.

Three things are very important: Confidence, Gift of Gab (persuasion and inspiration), and Style.

Kind of....

Just think in terms of social value and how it has arisen in a frame of evolutionary physiology and you will have a better grasp of fundamental attractiveness with woman. What you have listed her is a arbitrary and desultory subset. You shouldn't be trying to re-invent the wheel


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 Post subject: Re: PUA Wishful Thinking
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:48 am 
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Without any particular method.....

Three things will certainly attract women: Respect, Muscles, and Money.

Three things are very important: Confidence, Gift of Gab (persuasion and inspiration), and Style.

Kind of....

Just think in terms of social value and how it has arisen in a frame of evolutionary physiology and you will have a better grasp of fundamental attractiveness with woman. What you have listed her is a arbitrary and desultory subset. You shouldn't be trying to re-invent the wheel
The purpose of this post is to analyze the efficacy of the styles we use and come to a consensus about what is reliable. Its not about what I think will work so much; its about discussing what you think will work. Let's focus on that. From my experience respect (social value), muscles, and money (with the power that comes from it) will attract women. I know this.

A lot of these things are hit and miss. In that sense PUA is kinda just a blue pill that allows you to be more confident and by being more confident you take more chances.

I always felt that negs were kinda unreliable, but always useful for keeping me objective...my inner game. I also notice with storytelling girls may not date you, but you usually always get somewhere with them.


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