Well guys, here I come, from a determinist point of view (which is the only by the way).
I've been studying and practicing Mystery method for long time now, understood every basic principle and root cause.
Since I was getting better and better, I realized that that's life!, I mean, you can apply that method in business too, in friendships, etc... EVERYWHERE. because believe it or not, wanted or not WE ARE social robots.

I respect Mystery because he's a f*cking genius, but the phrase "dont become a social robot", "let the venusian arts enrich your life, not define it" are, from my point of view not posible.

I'll tell you what, you want a supper power? you want to know how to attract anybody? be successfull in business? have 10 ferraris with 50 beatifull women? Well, study MM and I garantee you will get all of that.

NOW, after realizing all of this, and years of testing, and proving me that this is the fucking shit, this is how the deterministic universe works, how human (and every other animal for that matter) minds work, and know you can crack it every time you want is the worst feeling I had ever.
I thought it will be great!, but let me tell ya'. It isn't...

See the world arround you, once you get those 10 ferraris and 50 beatifull chicks inside, you only want to get more money, and more women. ALL ABOUT LIFE IS "S" & "R", you want the truth? that's the f*cking truth.
No matter how much you want to not being a social robot you ain't gonna change that, (trust me, I tried).

Yes, we are social robots
Yes, life is all about power(money) and fucking
Yes, if you know how to crack it you will get all of that
No, you won't be happy, once you really KNOW deep inside all of this, you will never ever be happy, it's like getting out of the matrix, you cannot be inside again.


And finally, YES, this social robot thing applies to all social interactions, friends, work, girfriends, LTR, marriage, etc.
If you do beta stuff, you will be cheated, if you do alpha stuff, you will get that b*tch with you for MORE time, but not forever, no matter how alpha you are, or how hot she is, both will get bored (hope you be the first).

What do i want posting this thread? honestly, I'll love to hear your opinions on this, maybe I find another soul like me burning in this hell. But please, dont post if you didn't do your research and/or didn't feel what I'm talking about. I'm comming from a 100% scientific place, if you don't know what determinism is, or don't undertand the basic principies of social psicology, please reserve your words (no ofense here).

Hope you the best.
And sorry for my bad english(not my first language)


PD: I suspect this exact same thing happened to mystery in the book "the game" when he got depressed. OBVIOUSLY you dont wanna live anymore if you are a fucking genius and cracked life code and realized it is ALL deterministic. NO love, no relationships(friends or girfriends) without some kind of interest (conscious or not). That's life, and if you have any other point of view, please let me know, I'll try it, but things are like they are

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Yes, life is all about power(money) and fucking

Talk about yourself. That is YOUR point on life not everyone's. I would never trust a guy that wants b*tches and money. You still have a lot to learn. Is normal that you go through that phase but remember that we know nothing. The more time passes the more we'll realize that there is SO much to learn. Is a never ending process.

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I kind of agree. And that's why I don't really want to be the type of pua who just parties all the time and bangs one girl after the other without having any meaningful relationships. When I go out sarging or interacting with people, I too find that the principles of Mystery Method usually apply (i.e. showing you are social proof, AMOGing, DLV, etc.) And unless I make a concerted effort to constantly juggle all these different elements, things start to fall apart. Unless I become that well oiled social robot, instead of just a normal human with flaws and idiosyncrasies, I won't get the type of results that I want. Sure, life is easy if you are good looking and well heeled, but if you aren't then you are facing an uphill battle. That's not to say that you can't improve yourself and acheive things. It's just that you'll have obey the rules of social conformity and do the specific things that are required in order to fit it, get women, etc., even if that means sacrificing who you are deep down inside.

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“Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!” ~Audrey Hepburn

I'm new to the forum, but I'm not new to life.

I don't know anything about Determinism. I also don't have deep knowledge of Mystery Method, nor will I. I don't like the idea that you need to conform who and what you are to achieve goals, as I'm an honest individual. Bear with me, I know you must be dying to skip this already .

What do I have then ?

Happiness.

Despite not having the life you may have, sleeping with all the girls you do, or even being as successful as you might be in your field. But I do feel... Fulfilled. Maybe not as consistently as I'd like to, but I'm getting there. I'm even willing to bet that I feel more fulfilled than you do.

The difference, is purpose... It's not about WHAT you do, but more about WHY you do it. What were your intentions with escaping "The Matrix" ? To feel powerful, to fuck, to have money ? What were your intentions with fucking and having money ? And then the BIG question...

WHY AREN'T YOU HAPPY AND FULFILLED WHEN YOU FEEL POWERFUL, FUCK AND HAVE MONEY ?

If you can answer that one, you'll be much closer to happiness and fulfillment. The thing with Mystery Method is, you change all the symptoms (Outer Game) to achieve what you want. But you never get to the root cause of the problem. In essence you've only changed how you appear. You've never made contact with the problem, the thing that made you want to fuck, feel powerful and have money in the first place: WHAT YOU FEEL INSIDE. And more importantly, WHY you feel it.

Those are my thoughts.
-Intrigue

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-Intrigue

_Intrigue_:

I never argue so I won't oppose your point of view. I believe that arguing is a waste of time, because either way none of us is going to change opinions. If you are happy doing that then accept my congratulations. Is just unfair that newstyle10 says that it applies to everyone in general; that is not the case. There are no secret formulas to success, because each person defines success differently.

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I definitely agree, success is defined differently by each person. I am however curious as to what you don't agree with ? I like to hear different opinions than my own, so tell me what you think.

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It's not about what you do, it's all about why.
-Intrigue

In one side I see a guy that says that he wants to fuck, and have money, power, social robots, mystery method, etc. On the other is you who is taking a more passive approach to it saying that you bet you are probably more fulfilled than most and that you have happiness. I believe you should find balance between both. By pursuing the things that really matter in life (every person has their own list, and these things cannot be bought or stolen), and trying to satisfy our physical cravings of power, sex, and pleasure, you will see how fulfilled you may feel. Is really hard to get that balance though, but that is what makes it so compelling and rare to pursue.

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