This ties in closely with text game posts from skills360 and my "are you a comedian?" Neg.

I've experimented with being a total ass with women and how far you can go with it before it becomes annoying. I'm amazed at how much I can get away with. In fact, its better to risk insulting her, than to take it easy. Here a couple of my favorites I thought of over the last few weeks:

1. "Are you a comedian?" If she laughs a lot, I tease her about it. Me: you laugh a lot. Her: I'm just a fun person. Me: are you a comedian? Her: no, I'm an amazing woman. Me: really? How so? Her: blah blah blah (qualification). Or, if she says something like, "I'm so cool, I'm too cool for you, too young" whatever. Me: hahahahah! Have you ever considered a career as a comedian? Her: you did not! Me: yes, we can. Her: you're mean! Blah blah blah

2. "Freak" just shout "freak!" At her. She will be startled. Women don't usually like being called freaks, because deep inside they know they are freaks. Sometimed I'll even open with "freak" with women that think very highly of themselves. It stops them dead in their tracks. She will react negatively to this, so use with caution. Balance it out with a compliment neg. Then go straight to your routine, don't wait for a reaction. Don't stop talking, you'll get credit for having a very original pickup line. You get a big dhv for balls right off the bat, and since not that many people call them freaks, you'll have that special place inside her heart as the asshole who called her freak all the time and got away with it.

My favorite variation of this is via text. First text after number close: Freak! She'll tell you something along the lines of, "don't call me a freak" or "who is this". Shoot straight to your normal phone game after this. Response rate is 99 percent.

3. "I want ti dress you like a clown". Me: I was always wondering what its like to have sex with a clown. When I saw you from over there, i had the impression you are the right choice for this mission. Tell me why I should choose you for the job. Her: shock.

4. "You're not the brightest star in the sky, are you?" I use this a lot, it is a good transition for her to start qualifying herself to you. If you keep teasing her, she'll keep qualifying. And if you round it off with a, "ok, I was not sure about you when we met, but now I'm starting to like you a little", she'll not feel insulted but rewarded for trying to impress you. The extreem version of this is, "Are you mentally challenged? No, sreiously. Because if you really are I'll be more sensitive to your "condition" (gesticulate the quotation maks)."

5. "I bet I could keep you busy for a really long time by putting you in a round room and telling you to sit in the corner."

6. "I like women that are a bit taller than you, but maybe if you wear really high heels....hmmmmm. No, that's not going to work." Just a neg for women that are taller than you. The really attractive ones eat this up like its chocolate.

7. "Dream on" or "you wish". Every time an hb says something along the lines of "am I invited?" "Send me a text and let's see if I have time" or "buy me a drink" or "hold my seat for me" or "fuck you" just say, "you wish!" It causes a "right back at ya" effect and no man in his right mind would dare say something like that to a woman he's just met.

8. "I've had better." If she tells me how awesome she thinks she is.

9. "You look really trashed! Are you ok?"

More to come. Just a few we were laughing about recently.[/b]

I love these lines... It's really amazing how far you can go.. I was once talking with a 2nd year college girl about her sex-life. She mentioned she fucked like 7 guys or so and that she went to a christian high-school. So I just asked: "And have you been a whore from that time or did it just happen when you came to the uni?" It didn't destroy her frame though. She just answered me "Nah, that's only for the past two years". Was a real challenge but in the end she appreciated my boldness and I got to be the 8th guy on the list

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Beats me why they dig this shit. If anyone said anything like that to me I think I would get pretty pissed. I saw a dude take the whore thing so far. He's like, "you're a whore." She's like, "I don't care". He's like, "you're a dirty white trash whore. I don't even like you." She starts kissing him.

Yes that is the right idea, i do go a bit more sexual with it, but it can backfired(which for me is fine) since is a form of screening, so the freak as the first text works? how do you transition from freak? I may try that, but again how do you transition.. How old are the girls? thanks!

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My target age is 18-22, but obviously there are exceptions. "Freak" does work in getting responses most of the time. The coolest part is if she didn't get your number, she'll want to know who the hell that is. They shoot a text like 2 min later. They usually think its one of their girls. They'll be like, "who is this?" I'll be like, "this is the other freak." But - would give them a hint or something ("we met at .... Yesterday) and then mix in a compliment neg ( something like, "I was thinking of you, get out of my head" or "I remember that hot blue dress you wwere wearing, unfortunately that's all about you that left an impression on me"). If she's playful she will buy into this game. Usually it works better with the young ones. They are naturally confident so it shouldn't backfire. The 25, 26 yo don't like this for some reaason, got bad reactions (its like the age they become aware of the mortality of their sex life), and I can imagine it will work well for the 30+ agegroup, bacause that's when their second breath kicks in and they realize its not all over yet and become confidnet again.

I would just make sure that when using "freak" you don't "freak her out" hahahaha. But if you're in mia then there should be no problem, gilrs are really freindly and playful there.

Yep! that is what i thought, my target age is 24 +...

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Good discussion topic.

I love the well-placed neg.

I also agree with Zepter... SAY what's on your mind - without a filter. I've stopped giving a shit years ago. What's happened since? I literally took last night off. I broke a date just to relax. I've been laid almost every single day last week, at least 2x. I needed the break. I'm juggling 3 different ones....




Example from last week... had a chick over, she wanted to stay the night...

her: What side of the bed do you sleep on?
me: I sleep in the middle, it's MY bed... so it doesn't really matter... you can decide.
her: I may just sleep on you all night
me: The probability of that is slim. I want you in my bed, but I'm the kind of guy that sleeps as a loner. Maybe one day, but this is our first night - it takes me a while to build that level of comfort...




Another - Had a blonde here with a huge rack....

her: (getting undressed for me) You like these don't you? (holding them up for me...)
me: You look amazing... I've just never been a boob-guy. (smile)



I target 35+, so when I neg, I don't try to insult as much as I try to confuse, disorient and remove their frame.



The easiest, most effective I've used is the "I'm sorry, I don't mean to itterrupt, but you have something.... right .... there...." and I point to her teeth...




With Age Bitches (won't date due to age difference)
her: You're too old/too young blah blah blah
me: I see your point. I'm looking for someone a tad deeper. Someone capable of finding chemistry and emotion... that 'passion' they can't deny. That's what I'm after. You prefer to look at birthdays... I wish you well with that. (smile)


You can also strategically scold a chick without scolding her... I'm the guy that always discusses 'game' with a chick if I see her more than once. I come clean, and tell the truth. I immediately assert myself as someone who is confident, capable of pulling pussy with ease, and SHE knows it... She'll always ask questions, and MOST will agree that this would work on them. It's a HUGE DHV, boys - IF you can discuss it as an authority... So anyhow, if she does something to piss me off...
I say: "You know, I'm into you... Do you honestly think I'd allow anyone else to _______________ and not take issue? (pause)... no way in hell. With anyone else, I'd have bounced..."





Also - on a side note... If you're at a D2/D3 and conversation has ANY lull time, you can use that lull time to place a deceptive comment to flip her frame a little as well... As soon as you feel it become somewhat awkward... you can control frame and say "You're a million miles away.... you're off somewhere else... what's going on?".... Or you can say "You're present, but you're not HERE. What's going on?"
I've used those as the last-gasp for a chick. If it stays awkward, the date ends. I don't dig uncomfort. If she changes demeanor and/or talks to me about it - I re-calibrate and continue.


...and my favorite, is when a chick get's "tough"... You know the type... "You don't want to see me get angry...", the type that gives herself some 'Superhero' type-temper.... I always smile and say "Awww, aren't you cute.". If present, I'll pat her on the forehead as well.

I keep control the whole time. Any moment she THINKS she is in control is a planned subliminal process just to allow her that perception (Think about "Wrapped Around Your Finger" by the Police...).


"When in doubt, make her inner-5-year old come out"



RR

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"say what's on your mind" is so fucking important. and it all ties in with the one we've been brainwashed with forever, "be yourself".

when you're telling her to fuck off, that's she's a whore, that her body is alright but she has nothing else going for her and is boring the crap out of you, that her big tits are not something you ever really liked or mixing up her name with another chick. without flinching, that's when you're actually being yourself.

and at that point, you can vistually get away with all this shit. anyday. anytime.

Brilliant!!! RR and I are near the same age group and as such I think we see things a little different (life expereience) than many younger guys. Some naturally get it from a very young age, I was unfortunately not one of the ones getting it.

Most of my teens/20's was 2 LTR and then I married for 17+ years. Now I treat the 22 yo blonde at Hooters like she is nothing more than a stupid little girl and she responds with flirts and sexually suggestive comments. The 3rd time I saw her she left with me and headed back to my place. There was no doubt as to what we were going to do, because I told her "I am going to f@ck the s#it out of you". She tested me with "Oh really!!?" to which I replied "Yes I am...And you know!"

The next morning at 5am I got up for work, woke her up and told her to leave! She said "I want to sleep", I replied "I don't know you, you gotta go!". And that was that...Spent the next 3 months playing with the little hooters girl.

Great post, everyone should read and take notes!

Peace...

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I don't really like doing asshole-level negging (i.e. things like "You're not the brightest star in the sky, are you") because it makes me feel like a douchebag, and I sure hate douchebags.

I only use negs in the conversation where it's natural (i.e. not as a tactic), and they're playful, not mean.

Anyone else dislike negging?

Sounds like she had daddy issues. And generally I don't like chicks with daddy issues because they're insecure and like men who make them feel that way. I prefer a chick who's more secure with themselves. Otherwise you end up spending a lot of time petting (or destroying, depending) their ego and that's boring.

For instance, I dated a chick who was a very vocal feminist once (I met her while she was soliciting planned parenthood donations, lol) and she was super secure with herself. It was pretty sweet because she didn't text me 12 times a day for validation, nor did I get asked stupid questions like "do you think I'm pretty/do you love me" bla bla bla.

I do not like negging i like disqualyfiers more effective..

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Great post, I agree i never used to neg or even tease a girl because
I thought I would look like a dick and girls wouldn't like me (yes I had
that nice guy mentality ugh) but when i started negging i realized
chicks dig that shit and so many things that men think are taboo topics
or things to say are actually cool, so negging is great and it builds
attraction because it disqualifies you then she attempts to qualify herself
and then its plain sailing from there, most of the time.

Nice thread.

I will generally neg only if there is a disparity between her HB score according to me and the HB score according to her.

If I say she is a 7 and she thinks and acts like a 10 (lots like this) then I neg and tease all the time until they are highly frustrated which translates to "aroused" in female speak.

Awesome!