This is one of the most accepted yet debated dogmas ever. Everybody knows that it is true and yet everybody says that taste in men has nothing to do with HB levels.

Now lets look at the reasoning: Ugly girls = less opportunities = a broader acceptance of partners.

Hmm, yes, unless it is close to closing time and everyone including that pretty guy get desperate. The UG will still take the best she can get and it might not be you.

More reasoning: Taste in men isnt based on her own prettiness, she may go for anyone she likes. True but social pressure is a factor, make sure she is alone then. Plus if she is used to sleping with hot guys, I dont think she will get totally desperate in one single night of boyfried-out-of-town that she will go for the scrawny little loser she finds in the corner of the bar.

All of that logical reasoning but still we arent even close to what happens when she decides on a partner. All for nothing.

So maybe we ourselves have something to do with it?

Maybe our beliefs change something. Maybe this is my interpretation.


You consider yourself a 5 and you walk up to a 10 (J Lo), shes rich and beautiful and has a million guys surrounding her. Now your head says something like: Hmmm, why would she even bother talking to me, she is out of my league. And what happend to your confidence? It drops. You get nervous and intimidated.

You consider yourself a 5 and walk up to a 2 (Jabba the Hutt and Gollums Daughter). She is ugly, fat and stands alone, you pump yourself full of viagra and walk up to her. Now your head says something like: OMG, how can I sink that low, lets hope nobody finds out, Ill give her a mercyfuck, lets just pretend that she is someone else and that I didnt see her tail. What happens to your confidence? It maxes out, there is no chance in hell that you can fail and frankly, deep down inside you wish you will. So no nervousness at all, the outcome is not important to you.

If you go for someone under your own "imagined level" you will have a higher confidence (yes that is inner game if you prefer the term) but if you go for someone over your level, they have the upper hand and thus they are in the dominance position.

Now imagine that you are a 10 (Johnny Depp), even a 9 will be easy because you have the upper hand.

Here comes the point. Who says you arent a 10? Who decides that? You? Someone else? Could it be that your number comes from a lot of different sources?

Looks mixed with confidence mixed with personal taste.

Seems reasonable doesnt it?

So fix your looks, get a new outfit, that helps a lot. Just changing your style can increase your looks by quite a few points.

Confidence, this is the difficult one, you will have to do some inner game work man. There is no easy way to build it.

Personal taste. Referring to the girls personal taste. Have you ever heard two girls disagreeing with each other because one of them things a guy is super hot and the other one say that he is ugly. Now dont get me wrong but ugly here means a 5 and super hot means an 8. Stil that is a huge difference. I constantly find myself attracted to girls who arent "clasically beautiful" and less interested in girls who are "hot". Instead I favour girls with that spark, that mentality, that would look great in leather pants with me holding her leash. See what I mean?



In all of these factors, there is a variation. Personal taste varies a few points based on the eye of the beholder, confidence varies a few points depending on your situation and your looks vary based on how well you groomed or if you forgot to shave.

Basically, you cannot predict what number a girl is gonna give you. It will be whatever number you think you deserve plus minus quite a few points. And a lot of that is under your control. Namely, the number you think you deserve. Confidence.

In my example, the HB2 may well consider you a 1 and reject you because her taste isnt in your favour. And the HB10 may like you because you have that exact tattoo that she always wanted. You cant know. I try to take whatever number I think I deserve and then add all the pluses that I could possibly have. That will max my confidence out as well. And then I behave like that regardless of who I am talking to.

It cant hurt.

Thank Venus somebody put this in ink.

Unfortunately, the only moment when this will be truly internalized and practical is through experience and experience only. Logical understanding of the matter is not enough. Therefore, I really hope this will inspire/motivate people to hit on the hotties they'd usually pussy out to go for.

It all comes down to self-investment in the end - just like with everything else in life.

i disagree.

the hotter women are easier to convince than the ugly ones. ugly women have so many more complexes. they will always think you are using them "until he scores a better-looking one". traditional shit tests turn into mega-shit tests with them. even worse are women that used to be HB 8 or 9 and partied too hard or got old, oh shit!

they will test you all the more, and try to get you to convince them all the more that she is not "number 2". you dig?

now that being said, it is easier for most men to pick-up an ugly one because they are relaxed. conversely, more tense in front of HB7+ and try harder. also, answers the point about desperate when the club is closing ("desperate" being the key word here).

with uglies, you have a "i don't give a fuck, you are lucky to be talking to me" through and through attitude, and it's so genuine that they buy it. likewise, the same attitude would, in my opinion, make it as easy to score with HB7+. this also ties in with the theory that exactly when you have this gf that you want to stay loyal to (i bet we all felt this), you get all these offers for meaningless sex from strangers that are very attractive.

i would even go so far as to saying that this is what "game" is all about - getting the hottest women to feel like the ugly one, that needs to serve you and prove to you that they are worth your time. and treating the ugly ones so good that they loose their attraction to you and hand you over to their hot friends, who in turn get jealous of all the attention you are giving the ugly girl and jumps you like a hungry wolf.

a club full of ugly chicks, the least ugly one will look hotter to you than if she stood next to HB9's. that's it. it's einstein's relativity theory in practice.

in university, one of my professors used to tell the joke, "so, how's your wife". "it depends on who you compare her to". voila.

obviously, i am no expert on this, but it's basic psychology. i am working on perfecting this and although i see results already, i know once i have this down it will work perfectly.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Yes, this is exactly what I say in my post. If you read the entire post and not just parts of it you would see that. The thing is that most people wouldnt have the same genuine attitude to a HB7+. That is unless he actually dont care about the outcome.

Thus Im telling people to improve until they have that attitude towards more or less anybody because, there are always more fish in the sea.

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If I'm understanding this correctly, Ezo, then I agree, and it is why I ditched the 1-10 rating system a while ago. Because when I said a woman was a 7, or a 4, or a 9, etc, my confidence was affected because I would compare it to the number I had assigned myself. If it's just a binary scale, 1 for a girl I'd fuck, 0 for a girl I wouldn't, then this all becomes much easier to handle. Attractiveness is, as the cliche goes, in the eye of the beholder, and that includes how attractive the beholder sees his or her self being.

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Yes, that is basically what I mean. The scale should be 0-1.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

A "10" leaning against the bar at 4 am is easier to pull then a dancing "5".

You idiots are spilling "game" , get rejected then come to the forum and complain about how "10" are harder to fuck than "5".

So many beautiful women just wanting a little love and all they get is idiots like you "negging" , "teasing" and "being cocky and funny".

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Please point out where Ezo mentioned negging or any of those terms.

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Your virginity won't go away if you flame me with every occasion.

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I'm just trying to understand where the anger comes from. Ezo didn't talk about negging, teasing, or cocky/funny. He actually didn't even say a 10 was harder to game than a 5. If I missed that and am wrong, please point it out, a quote would do in a response post.

Unless I skimmed over something I shouldn't have, Ezo?

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Not quite sure who's game blog I pulled this from, but someone had a count of which women men were approaching most often on Plenty of Fish ranked against how hot the women were. Funny thing is, 10s and 9s were engaged less often (genuine approaches) than 6s and 7s. The guys who participated justified it by saying they thought they had no chance with the 10s and 9s.

I think the essence of Ezo's post is true, just that how you perceive yourself in relation to your target can change everything. Even if you've successfully opened a 10, if you're thinking in your head "oh fuck... she's a 10" that sense of anxiety WILL come out either through poor body language, incongruent behavior, or failing her shit tests. If you TRULY BELIEVE that you DESERVE to fuck the girl you're staring at, your game becomes unstoppable. You can walk 6 inches to her face, stare at her without looking down, touch her without hesitating, and escalate without thinking about it because you really truly do not give a fuck if she rejects you. There's no part of you that thinks her beauty is a reason for her to be pedestalized.

The first example I gave about plenty of fish might also address someone's disagreement on ugly chicks being more difficult. A 10 might be approached less often than a 7 because more men are intimidated by her. And the 7, with a combination of an inflated ego and the intuitive understanding that she's uglier than her friend, will have several more issues regarding shit tests and complexes.

And I'd have to agree on that point, I've seen 5s who aren't more "difficult" per say, but they're so fucking obnoxious that I wouldn't fuck them anyways. Think about it this way, in her mind she needs to compensate for her beauty. So she thinks "If I like men who are extroverted, confident, and charismatic, men will probably like me for the same reason." Men who stress "looks" too much fall into the same reciprocal thinking.

And, because women can't grasp the subtle art of the neg or being passively confident; she instead becomes an attention whore with a bitchbasket of insecurities that manifest themselves through shit tests aimed at you and a soul-killing annoying attitude problem.

Lastly, why are you guys flaming each other? Both of you have valid points; "negging" / "teasing" / "cocky funny" are terms used because they work, just like game. There are indeed plenty of beautiful women looking for love, but only from men they think are better than them, and game teaches you how to effectively convey that. But on the other hand, the increasing use of game terminology does point to a disturbing trend - that men are using it more as a source for intellectual masturbation. They gap between ignorance and knowledge is greater than the gap between knowledge and action.

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Dj Z you didnt miss anything. Stelar did. What Im saying is that the differences in picking upa 10 or a 5 is only in your head. You make it real if you believe that you arent worthy or consider yourself less than her.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn