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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:07 pm 
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I read an article of Chase Amante today, and this is what he says:
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As far as how much touch you should have with a woman prior to working on physical escalation… well. Here’s the thing. If you’re very sexy, you don’t need to touch a woman at all prior to bringing her home. In fact, if you’re very sexy, I’d probably go as far as to say you should avoid touching a girl unless it feels absolutely necessary. How come? Because when you reach out and touch a girl, you’re expending a little extra effort, and chasing a little bit more, which sets up the wrong precedent.

However – and this is a big one – until you get to the place where you’re a very sexy man, you should absolutely be touching women a lot. Incidental touching is what you need to be using to get girls comfortable with your touch. In lieu of base sexiness, incidental touch can help close the gap and get women seeing you as a sexual man. Incidental touching also is extremely important for developing your sense of how and when to touch women when you’re learning.
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Note: Alex asks about caressing. Caressing is sexual touch and should only be done during the actual physical escalation when you’re somewhere private with a girl proceeding towards intimacy. Doing it out in public is tantamount to talking about sex; it’s too obvious, betrays your intentions, and causes women to push back as soon as the mood dissipates. Hand-holding is best avoided altogether as it’s very couple-y and puts you into boyfriend territory, slowing things down and making women demand more of you. I have another post on this upcoming sometime soon specifically, but basically, yeah, you don’t want to hold a girl’s hand.
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I was wondering how much you agree with this, as this might be the opposite of what other people might teach you to do.

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I don't really agree with that because girls love to be touched, especially by pretty/sexy men. If a girl likes or loves you, and you touch her..., it will show her that you might be interested to sleep or date her in the future.

Of course, girls don't like easy guys so you gotta neg her or laugh at her a little, you never gotta be taken for granted...because they love challenge, if it's too easy they'll run away. Girls are shy and scared to touch us most of the time, so it's our job to do this in order to make them feel better with us and to reduce their level of shyness. At first sigh, the more pretty you are, normally... the more they wanna be touched.

Let's think the other way, we love to be touched by sexy/pretty women? Right? Why wouldn't they like the same scenario with us too? You just gotta game more with women because you gotta sell your salad and be different from all the other bunch of boring men's who just wanna fuck and have nothing to say.
Therefore, I conclude that touching is a MUST DO!

I don't know if I answered your question but please give feedback! ;)

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Yep, this is the level of wtf worthy of being my 1000th post.

Kino is what keeps you out of the friend zone. It is what makes a girl who is sort of into you, more into you. It is how you bridge from shaking her hand at the introduction to kissing her and more without creeping her out. That article is a pile of bullshit. Hell, INTRODUCING yourself to a girl requires you put forth a little effort, so clearly that's wrong. Unless you are a male model or a billionaire, I do not believe girls will chase. I'd love to hear otherwise, but so far my experience tells me that to be the case.

And you can't hold a girl's hand in public? Also bullshit. I can only surmise that this dude is a complete idiot who wanted to post something overly-complicated and contradicting the common stance for the sole purpose of drawing more attention to himself.

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Yo,

You must escalate by starting with a little touch and concluding with bigger touches, because if you don't touch gradually she'll run away or tell you ''why the hell are you touching me like this?''. By touching you wanna developp friendship or sexual escalation with her, so it must be done graduallY. Small touch+talk blablabla, medium touch+talk blablabla, bigger touch, if she likes it maybe going for the kiss...and so on.

Btw, DJ_Z...I truly agree with your post mate!

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Yep, this is the level of wtf worthy of being my 1000th post.

Kino is what keeps you out of the friend zone. It is what makes a girl who is sort of into you, more into you. It is how you bridge from shaking her hand at the introduction to kissing her and more without creeping her out. That article is a pile of bullshit. Hell, INTRODUCING yourself to a girl requires you put forth a little effort, so clearly that's wrong. Unless you are a male model or a billionaire, I do not believe girls will chase. I'd love to hear otherwise, but so far my experience tells me that to be the case.

And you can't hold a girl's hand in public? Also bullshit. I can only surmise that this dude is a complete idiot who wanted to post something overly-complicated and contradicting the common stance for the sole purpose of drawing more attention to himself.

^ that, and actually sometimes if you do not escalate fast, some girls will actually get bored during the interaction...

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Yep, this is the level of wtf worthy of being my 1000th post.

Kino is what keeps you out of the friend zone. It is what makes a girl who is sort of into you, more into you. It is how you bridge from shaking her hand at the introduction to kissing her and more without creeping her out. That article is a pile of bullshit. Hell, INTRODUCING yourself to a girl requires you put forth a little effort, so clearly that's wrong. Unless you are a male model or a billionaire, I do not believe girls will chase. I'd love to hear otherwise, but so far my experience tells me that to be the case.

And you can't hold a girl's hand in public? Also bullshit. I can only surmise that this dude is a complete idiot who wanted to post something overly-complicated and contradicting the common stance for the sole purpose of drawing more attention to himself.

^ that, and actually sometimes if you do not escalate fast, some girls will actually get bored during the interaction...
Agreed. If you don't use kino, you will be friend zoned. Kino shows confidence, it's the first step that leads you to the last if you know what I mean.

If you can show you have confidence, women will love it. It guarantees nothing but for sure shows your a man, you have some bottle.

If a girl begins to like you, you can do what you want with her. Hold her in public and generally dictate what's going on with each scenario. I started this way with my mrs's!

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Yep, this is the level of wtf worthy of being my 1000th post.

Kino is what keeps you out of the friend zone. It is what makes a girl who is sort of into you, more into you. It is how you bridge from shaking her hand at the introduction to kissing her and more without creeping her out. That article is a pile of bullshit. Hell, INTRODUCING yourself to a girl requires you put forth a little effort, so clearly that's wrong. Unless you are a male model or a billionaire, I do not believe girls will chase. I'd love to hear otherwise, but so far my experience tells me that to be the case.

And you can't hold a girl's hand in public? Also bullshit. I can only surmise that this dude is a complete idiot who wanted to post something overly-complicated and contradicting the common stance for the sole purpose of drawing more attention to himself.
I agree with you. I also believe touching is important.Today I was working on this research I'm doing for my study (social sciences), and it was about courtship. It said that touching showed dominance, and that girls like to be touched because they are attracted to dominant men.

I don't agree on everything with this guy called Chase, but he has a bloc with a lot of articles and most of them are realy good and have a good point. He gives good arguments even on points I don't agree with. He s always nice and helpfull to people with questions. So I definitely wouldn't call him an idiot.

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I'm a long time reader of Chase's blog and in my opinion, in regards to giving bullshit free and practical pick up advice, Chase is top 3 in the community.

That being said, I agree with chase. No thats not a typo, I agree with him.

Physical escalation isn't the only way to move things forward in a sexual direction with a woman. If you read my escalation guide (link in sig) you will notice that only 1/3 of it involves physical touch (kino).

Once you get to a certain point (most guys never will) that you can turn a woman on with you presence, your vibe, using eye contact, verbal escalation and such, you really don't need physical escalation. Once you get that good it can actually reduce the tension. I'll explain: If you have been talking to a woman, using very seductive eye contact, your very close to her (lmost nose to nose) and you have been talking low and sensually while using sexual innuendo, shock and awe, and stuff like that... there will be a ton of sexual tension already. she will be wanting you to touch her like crazy by that point and so doing so will reduce the tension slightly.

Chase even admits in his article tho that for most guys they should use kino. I'm pretty advanced and I even use kino... and a shit ton of it. because while it may not be needed, and while it sometimes reduces the tension a little bit, touching women is fucking fun and it turns me on.

So yes, Chase is right. Once you get good you don't need kino but truth is, I still see no reason to not use it. Once your to the point where you just ooze sexual tension, touching her will take a small amount of it away but its a very small amount and its fun to touch so its a good trade off.

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I'm a long time reader of Chase's blog and in my opinion, in regards to giving bullshit free and practical pick up advice, Chase is top 3 in the community.

That being said, I agree with chase. No thats not a typo, I agree with him.

Physical escalation isn't the only way to move things forward in a sexual direction with a woman. If you read my escalation guide (link in sig) you will notice that only 1/3 of it involves physical touch (kino).

Once you get to a certain point (most guys never will) that you can turn a woman on with you presence, your vibe, using eye contact, verbal escalation and such, you really don't need physical escalation. Once you get that good it can actually reduce the tension. I'll explain: If you have been talking to a woman, using very seductive eye contact, your very close to her (lmost nose to nose) and you have been talking low and sensually while using sexual innuendo, shock and awe, and stuff like that... there will be a ton of sexual tension already. she will be wanting you to touch her like crazy by that point and so doing so will reduce the tension slightly.

Chase even admits in his article tho that for most guys they should use kino. I'm pretty advanced and I even use kino... and a shit ton of it. because while it may not be needed, and while it sometimes reduces the tension a little bit, touching women is fucking fun and it turns me on.

So yes, Chase is right. Once you get good you don't need kino but truth is, I still see no reason to not use it. Once your to the point where you just ooze sexual tension, touching her will take a small amount of it away but its a very small amount and its fun to touch so its a good trade off.

Let me know if I can explain this better...[/i]
If I'm understanding you correctly, Warped, the article is still pointless for one reason: the guys who are good enough that the advice applies to them, probably aren't reading articles anymore to improve.

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I'm a long time reader of Chase's blog and in my opinion, in regards to giving bullshit free and practical pick up advice, Chase is top 3 in the community.

That being said, I agree with chase. No thats not a typo, I agree with him.

Physical escalation isn't the only way to move things forward in a sexual direction with a woman. If you read my escalation guide (link in sig) you will notice that only 1/3 of it involves physical touch (kino).

Once you get to a certain point (most guys never will) that you can turn a woman on with you presence, your vibe, using eye contact, verbal escalation and such, you really don't need physical escalation. Once you get that good it can actually reduce the tension. I'll explain: If you have been talking to a woman, using very seductive eye contact, your very close to her (lmost nose to nose) and you have been talking low and sensually while using sexual innuendo, shock and awe, and stuff like that... there will be a ton of sexual tension already. she will be wanting you to touch her like crazy by that point and so doing so will reduce the tension slightly.

Chase even admits in his article tho that for most guys they should use kino. I'm pretty advanced and I even use kino... and a shit ton of it. because while it may not be needed, and while it sometimes reduces the tension a little bit, touching women is fucking fun and it turns me on.

So yes, Chase is right. Once you get good you don't need kino but truth is, I still see no reason to not use it. Once your to the point where you just ooze sexual tension, touching her will take a small amount of it away but its a very small amount and its fun to touch so its a good trade off.

Let me know if I can explain this better...[/i]
If I'm understanding you correctly, Warped, the article is still pointless for one reason: the guys who are good enough that the advice applies to them, probably aren't reading articles anymore to improve.
Pretty much. I suppose it can be good to get people to think about seduction and see if from a slighty different angle but yes, your right.

I imagine that chase just needed something to write for his blog that day :P

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I fully agree with you


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