Get wing men.

Ones that are regular.

Go out even when they are not out.

Be the first to open and lead the way when with them.

Always have a group of people for discussing and going out with 75% sarging/25% discussing.

I spent a year going out alone in the day. Came from a very low starting point/deficit.

Now I have wings. You can't make this journey alone. It is a journey for most of us. How many quest movies have you seen where they don't have a strong bonded group of people to make the journey?

How many successful people have gotten anywhere without like-minded people?

Find wing men. Turn up. Approach. Analyse with wing men after.

You will get far.

For starting yes, after you get success is not really needed... When you are starting make sure the wing/wings, is/are more successful with women than you are...

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Wingmen are overrated. Its nice to have company but sometimes they can hold you back.


I would say rule #1 is: If you have an idea, no matter how crazy or ridiculous it is, go out and try it in field.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

^ totally agree but if you hang out with someone that is really really good, will cut your learning curve in some cases by years..

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Absolutely, the problem is that the really good ones are difficult to find.

Either they are naturals or prettyboys, in each case they have no idea why they are good so they cant explain it to anyone, they just show up and get the girl. On the rare occasion you get a good PUA but there arent very many around. So in 99% of the cases you end up babysitting someone who needs to be taught.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Yeah what the other guy said. Once you get comfortable in your own Skin, wings are overrated.

They're fun often though when you can say, pull off a double pickup. Some good memories of that..

I have better success opening solo, however wings are good when you open 2 chicks - you feel geat chemistry with one, but she does not want to leave her frind hanging alone.

this is the salient point, no wing is better then a mediocre wing , and a good wing is hard to find. If you can find a good one they are a great help, but not necessary.

Most definitely, when I have a mediocre wing, then I have to worry about their game being good enough...therefore, I think my game usually suffers, because my mind is else where. No wing is definitely better unless they know how to bring it.

Still doesn't detract from the point you need wings.

Also just because you don't 'need' them when you're good doesn't you shouldn't have them.

If Bill Gates or Richard Branson just got rid of their advisors and fellow like-minded men when they got to a £1,000,000 they probably wouldn't have gotten much further.

It kinda does. You dont need wings, sure its more fun with a wing but not having a wing shouldnt be an excuse not to go out there and practice.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

True, I got to opening/closing girls without wings or like-minded people in the day BUT IT TOOK ME OVER A YEAR.

And thats just the base run-through of it all nothing fancy.

You can learn this stuff on your own but it'll take hella longer and you will never become great e.g. Able to meet and keep the girls you truly want.

I don't mean relying on wings, hell Im always lone-sarging day/night now BUT when I went on my first wing-man meet, I noticed, I could feel it, that I had been missing a very crucial part of my game.

Especially Club game, you need wings for that - not all the time but definitely a part of your plan.

"Be the first to open and lead when with them."

I am going to go out on a limb and guess you that just meant not to use the wings as an excuse to sit around and do nothing, instead choosing just to talk to your buddies. Thing is, if I had a wingman and he always had to be first to open a girl, always took the lead, I would start to get pissed off. I'd feel like I was less of a friend and more of a prop he was using to avoid looking like he was a loner. I'd rather have friends who are my equals. Sure, sometimes I take point and lead the night, but sometimes they will want to. And, since they are my friends, I may defer to them on occasion.

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I go out with friends not "wings."

Personally, I'd feel insulted if one of my friends called me a wing instead of what I really am, a friend. When we go out we don't talk about game, we have fun and enjoy life in the moment. When we do talk its about adventures and shit, nothing game related.

Thats the big problem with many guys who go out with "wings." They go out and talk about game more than they approach chicks. Turns into a night of mental masturbation instead of a night of fun and adventure with women.

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Well said my man.

Props.

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