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Lately there has been a lot of talk about shunning traditional 'game' in favor of simply looking for women whose body language and other social cues indicate they are in the market for a one night stand and then being doggedly persistent in your pursuit of them.

As far as I can tell, the only actual skill involved in this numbers game theology is the ability to determine when a girl is 'down to fuck,' something that is as obvious as night and day to myself and other experienced ladies' men but may be seem cryptic and confusing to those who have spent less time in the dating and seduction arena.

After all, what if you misread her cues? What if she really was just brushing that hair out of her eye and not trying to signal you to approach? What if she's looking around the club for a friend and not for a potential fuck buddy? What if she's wearing that low-cut shirt and those six-inch heels because she likes the attention that comes with them and not because she actually intends to go home with any of the guys she's attracted?

These probably seem like stupid questions to those who are learned in club game, but they are the exact questions that paralyze beginners and cut their legs out from under them before they ever have a chance to speak.

And if those who are experienced are so focused on finding the most 'dtf' woman in the club, who says they're not ignoring or overlooking someone who is equally 'dtf' but less obvious in their exhibition of it? And what if that girl happens to be cooler, freakier, hotter, smarter or just better than her more ostentatious counterpart?

You're probably saying, 'But 870, if I approach a girl like that, won't I have to work harder to win her affection?'

My answer? Maybe, but probably not. And even if you do, it will be be more rewarding than simply shuffling up to the object of your desire and staring at her until she jumps your bones (or whatever it is you numbers game guys do).

The simple truth is that all women are 'down to fuck.' They may not be in the mood this instant. They may not even know that's what they're after. But I assure you, Will Smith's words in Hitch are true ... no woman wakes up - or goes to a club - hoping she doesn't get swept off her feet.

The whole point of clubs and bars is to provide a place where people can go to get picked up, which is why I have always advised men in relationships not to take their girlfriends to them.

After all, there just might be a guy like me somewhere in the crowd.

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Lately there has been a lot of talk about shunning traditional 'game' in favor of simply looking for women whose body language and other social cues indicate they are in the market for a one night stand and then being doggedly persistent in your pursuit of them.
Been a lot of talk about it because it makes sense. Lets say there are two hotties in a club. Once is just dancing and hanging with her group of friends, the other is checking you out, which one would you approach? I like to make my life efficient and easy so I would go for the one checking me.
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After all, what if you misread her cues? What if she really was just brushing that hair out of her eye and not trying to signal you to approach? What if she's looking around the club for a friend and not for a potential fuck buddy? What if she's wearing that low-cut shirt and those six-inch heels because she likes the attention that comes with them and not because she actually intends to go home with any of the guys she's attracted?
I wouldn't consider her touching her hair or her wearing her "club costume" to be signs of her being DTF. "Warm" eye contact (where she looks at just a bit longer than she would if she had no interest), continual eye contact, overexertions, giving you proximity, and open body language towards you are all pretty good cues for a woman who is interested in you. Most women who are interested in you will often display more than one of those signs.
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And if those who are experienced are so focused on finding the most 'dtf' woman in the club, who says they're not ignoring or overlooking someone who is equally 'dtf' but less obvious in their exhibition of it? And what if that girl happens to be cooler, freakier, hotter, smarter or just better than her more ostentatious counterpart?

You're probably saying, 'But 870, if I approach a girl like that, won't I have to work harder to win her affection?'

My answer? Maybe, but probably not. And even if you do, it will be be more rewarding than simply shuffling up to the object of your desire and staring at her until she jumps your bones (or whatever it is you numbers game guys do).
While you may have had a few people in mind when you wrote this I'm gonna take a guess that Stelar was front in center in your thoughts. Just because hes the most vocal "numbers game" person on the forum don't assume were all like him.

Personally, instead of blowing threw women like a tornado in an effort to find one that will go home with me in 30 seconds after just looking at her (slightly exaggerated but thats basically Stelar's style) I like to actually have fun and enjoy my night and the woman. So yes, I do look for "DTF" women but when I approach them I run pretty standard game. Have fun with them and share an adventure, create and emotional connection between the two of us, and cause a shit ton of sexual tension. Whatever type of game you run will be more efficient on women who displays some interest in you and thats why I look for these women.

Some guys seem to care more about having "game" then getting women. they somehow find that screening for these woman doesn't take any game once you approach them. It does but who cares. I don't care about game, i care about women. I'm not actually taking about you 870 but just thinking of what some others have said in the past.
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The simple truth is that all women are 'down to fuck.' They may not be in the mood this instant. They may not even know that's what they're after. But I assure you, Will Smith's words in Hitch are true ... no woman wakes up - or goes to a club - hoping she doesn't get swept off her feet.
I disagree that all women in a club are "DTF." Some women come to the club specifically to get fucked, most come to the club to unwind and have some fun but are open to it if they meet the right guy. Some women, however, only come for validation and are actually closed off from being seduced. I call this "auto rejection" because no matter how awesome you are, if you approach her you will not get anywhere because shes simply closed herself off mentally and emotionally from being seduced. If you spend a shit ton of time and effort on them it sometimes becomes possible but its simply not worth it when there are so many woman in a club.

In regards to pick up being a "numbers game" I feel that when I use that term people get the wrong idea. The picture a guy simply meeting a ton of women, not really having much game, and just blowing threw women until they find one that likes them.

Thats not what I mean by "numbers game" at all. the fact is, unless you fuck the first chick you approach every single time, your playing a numbers game.

Lets say you get to a club and approach the first hottie you see. You slide up and introduce yourself. For whatever reason she doesn't really like you and you sense that so you reject. Maybe your vibe was a bit off, perhaps you simply wasn't her type at all, doesn't matter.

You just laugh to yourself and go approach another hottie. She likes your boldness and thinks your cute but shes there with her BF who shes in love with. You talk with her for a minute until her BF comes and drags her off to the dance floor.

You then spot a hottie giving you eye contact so you go over and meet her. She responds warmly. You flirt with her and find she had good logistics. You talk a bit, keep the sexual tension high, and pull her out of the club 45 minutes later.

Took three approaches which makes it a numbers game. We all know that sometimes we just happen to be able to get the first chick we approach but usually not. Usually we have to approach more than one.

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Lately there has been a lot of talk about shunning traditional 'game' in favor of simply looking for women whose body language and other social cues indicate they are in the market for a one night stand and then being doggedly persistent in your pursuit of them.
Been a lot of talk about it because it makes sense. Lets say there are two hotties in a club. Once is just dancing and hanging with her group of friends, the other is checking you out, which one would you approach? I like to make my life efficient and easy so I would go for the one checking me.
Not that I disagree with you warp, but the question begs to asked. What happens if I am not sexually attracted to the DTF girl? Than who do I approach. Naturally the one I find Attracted.

I understand both girls are hot, but at the end of the day no matter what anyone here says or does, you have to be sexually attracted to the girl you are trying to take home, and I think that, or at least from my perspective, that is the problem I have with certain people's advice on this forum. They are basicly saying that I should only approach DTF girls, but again I might not want any of the DTF girls in the bar. I might want to the girl in the red dress who is out with her three girl friends, and at the end of the day that is the girl I am going to approach. (Though usually there is more than just one girl in the club I find cute, I am just using this as an example).

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Lately there has been a lot of talk about shunning traditional 'game' in favor of simply looking for women whose body language and other social cues indicate they are in the market for a one night stand and then being doggedly persistent in your pursuit of them.
Been a lot of talk about it because it makes sense. Lets say there are two hotties in a club. Once is just dancing and hanging with her group of friends, the other is checking you out, which one would you approach? I like to make my life efficient and easy so I would go for the one checking me.
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After all, what if you misread her cues? What if she really was just brushing that hair out of her eye and not trying to signal you to approach? What if she's looking around the club for a friend and not for a potential fuck buddy? What if she's wearing that low-cut shirt and those six-inch heels because she likes the attention that comes with them and not because she actually intends to go home with any of the guys she's attracted?
I wouldn't consider her touching her hair or her wearing her "club costume" to be signs of her being DTF. "Warm" eye contact (where she looks at just a bit longer than she would if she had no interest), continual eye contact, overexertions, giving you proximity, and open body language towards you are all pretty good cues for a woman who is interested in you. Most women who are interested in you will often display more than one of those signs.
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And if those who are experienced are so focused on finding the most 'dtf' woman in the club, who says they're not ignoring or overlooking someone who is equally 'dtf' but less obvious in their exhibition of it? And what if that girl happens to be cooler, freakier, hotter, smarter or just better than her more ostentatious counterpart?

You're probably saying, 'But 870, if I approach a girl like that, won't I have to work harder to win her affection?'

My answer? Maybe, but probably not. And even if you do, it will be be more rewarding than simply shuffling up to the object of your desire and staring at her until she jumps your bones (or whatever it is you numbers game guys do).
While you may have had a few people in mind when you wrote this I'm gonna take a guess that Stelar was front in center in your thoughts. Just because hes the most vocal "numbers game" person on the forum don't assume were all like him.

Personally, instead of blowing threw women like a tornado in an effort to find one that will go home with me in 30 seconds after just looking at her (slightly exaggerated but thats basically Stelar's style) I like to actually have fun and enjoy my night and the woman. So yes, I do look for "DTF" women but when I approach them I run pretty standard game. Have fun with them and share an adventure, create and emotional connection between the two of us, and cause a shit ton of sexual tension. Whatever type of game you run will be more efficient on women who displays some interest in you and thats why I look for these women.

Some guys seem to care more about having "game" then getting women. they somehow find that screening for these woman doesn't take any game once you approach them. It does but who cares. I don't care about game, i care about women. I'm not actually taking about you 870 but just thinking of what some others have said in the past.
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The simple truth is that all women are 'down to fuck.' They may not be in the mood this instant. They may not even know that's what they're after. But I assure you, Will Smith's words in Hitch are true ... no woman wakes up - or goes to a club - hoping she doesn't get swept off her feet.
I disagree that all women in a club are "DTF." Some women come to the club specifically to get fucked, most come to the club to unwind and have some fun but are open to it if they meet the right guy. Some women, however, only come for validation and are actually closed off from being seduced. I call this "auto rejection" because no matter how awesome you are, if you approach her you will not get anywhere because shes simply closed herself off mentally and emotionally from being seduced. If you spend a shit ton of time and effort on them it sometimes becomes possible but its simply not worth it when there are so many woman in a club.

In regards to pick up being a "numbers game" I feel that when I use that term people get the wrong idea. The picture a guy simply meeting a ton of women, not really having much game, and just blowing threw women until they find one that likes them.

Thats not what I mean by "numbers game" at all. the fact is, unless you fuck the first chick you approach every single time, your playing a numbers game.

Lets say you get to a club and approach the first hottie you see. You slide up and introduce yourself. For whatever reason she doesn't really like you and you sense that so you reject. Maybe your vibe was a bit off, perhaps you simply wasn't her type at all, doesn't matter.

You just laugh to yourself and go approach another hottie. She likes your boldness and thinks your cute but shes there with her BF who shes in love with. You talk with her for a minute until her BF comes and drags her off to the dance floor.

You then spot a hottie giving you eye contact so you go over and meet her. She responds warmly. You flirt with her and find she had good logistics. You talk a bit, keep the sexual tension high, and pull her out of the club 45 minutes later.

Took three approaches which makes it a numbers game. We all know that sometimes we just happen to be able to get the first chick we approach but usually not. Usually we have to approach more than one.

^ this is exactly right! Numbers game is not going from woman to woman to woman, throwing shit in the wall to see what sticks...

Dtf girl is not a girl you go and hey, lets fuck! there still has to be an element of seduction...

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Lately there has been a lot of talk about shunning traditional 'game' in favor of simply looking for women whose body language and other social cues indicate they are in the market for a one night stand and then being doggedly persistent in your pursuit of them.
Been a lot of talk about it because it makes sense. Lets say there are two hotties in a club. Once is just dancing and hanging with her group of friends, the other is checking you out, which one would you approach? I like to make my life efficient and easy so I would go for the one checking me.
Not that I disagree with you warp, but the question begs to asked. What happens if I am not sexually attracted to the DTF girl? Than who do I approach. Naturally the one I find Attracted.

I understand both girls are hot, but at the end of the day no matter what anyone here says or does, you have to be sexually attracted to the girl you are trying to take home, and I think that, or at least from my perspective, that is the problem I have with certain people's advice on this forum. They are basicly saying that I should only approach DTF girls, but again I might not want any of the DTF girls in the bar. I might want to the girl in the red dress who is out with her three girl friends, and at the end of the day that is the girl I am going to approach. (Though usually there is more than just one girl in the club I find cute, I am just using this as an example).

^ very good point. Different dudes, different goals...

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I agree all women are DTF. With the exceptions of course. It's not about that. Its about being the right stimulus at the right time.

That being said. The better you are at becoming the right stimulus the less the right time will matter.

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Part of it is just semantics, we can call all women as DTF and we may be right, its just that one woman maybe 99% DTF and another one 0.1% DTF. So everybody that claim this is right.

However on the other hand - those that say not all women are DTF are right as well, since in PUA terms DTF means those that are actually on and those that know they they want to fuck. And not those that are DTF but only deep deep down inside.

So both opinions are correct, depends on what your semantics are :)


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Part of it is just semantics, we can call all women as DTF and we may be right, its just that one woman maybe 99% DTF and another one 0.1% DTF. So everybody that claim this is right.

However on the other hand - those that say not all women are DTF are right as well, since in PUA terms DTF means those that are actually on and those that know they they want to fuck. And not those that are DTF but only deep deep down inside.

So both opinions are correct, depends on what your semantics are :)
It's more than just semantics.

The language you use and the way you define words reflects the way you view the world, which as we all know, has an unmistakable effect on how you interact with the world. And, as this forum's very existence proves, how you interact with the world often determines your success at a given endeavor.

By using the standard 'PUA' definition of 'DTF,' you are automatically disqualifying a huge swath of women who are just as beautiful, sexy, intelligent, and worthy of your attentions as those who fall under my definition of the term.

The point of this post that everyone seems to have missed is this: why limit yourself? Why cut down on opportunities just because some take less effort than others?

I'm not saying that nothing good comes easily, only pointing out that what's easy isn't always what's best.

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Lets say you get to a club and approach the first hottie you see. You slide up and introduce yourself. For whatever reason she doesn't really like you and you sense that so you reject. Maybe your vibe was a bit off, perhaps you simply wasn't her type at all, doesn't matter.

You just laugh to yourself and go approach another hottie. She likes your boldness and thinks your cute but shes there with her BF who shes in love with. You talk with her for a minute until her BF comes and drags her off to the dance floor.

You then spot a hottie giving you eye contact so you go over and meet her. She responds warmly. You flirt with her and find she had good logistics. You talk a bit, keep the sexual tension high, and pull her out of the club 45 minutes later.
Why not make the hottie giving you eye contact the first target you approach?

Having only micro-approached the first two. Women will gladly show their interest through body language and reactions to your micro-gestures, posture and general energy. Approaching and speaking is not the only way to show intent of interest and can often lead into set defensive verbal responses( as you say "auto rejections) But the body/unconscious never lie. In my mind reading the body is the most efficient way to see if a woman is open to your approach.


Overall I like your general view warped. I hope you don't take this comment the wrong way but, I think with some fine tuning and tweaking you could be an elite PUA.

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Lets say you get to a club and approach the first hottie you see. You slide up and introduce yourself. For whatever reason she doesn't really like you and you sense that so you reject. Maybe your vibe was a bit off, perhaps you simply wasn't her type at all, doesn't matter.

You just laugh to yourself and go approach another hottie. She likes your boldness and thinks your cute but shes there with her BF who shes in love with. You talk with her for a minute until her BF comes and drags her off to the dance floor.

You then spot a hottie giving you eye contact so you go over and meet her. She responds warmly. You flirt with her and find she had good logistics. You talk a bit, keep the sexual tension high, and pull her out of the club 45 minutes later.
Why not make the hottie giving you eye contact the first target you approach?

Having only micro-approached the first two. Women will gladly show their interest through body language and reactions to your micro-gestures, posture and general energy. Approaching and speaking is not the only way to show intent of interest and can often lead into set defensive verbal responses( as you say "auto rejections) But the body/unconscious never lie. In my mind reading the body is the most efficient way to see if a woman is open to your approach.


Overall I like your general view warped. I hope you don't take this comment the wrong way but, I think with some fine tuning and tweaking you could be an elite PUA.
In my example the guy didn't see the hottie giving him eye contact until after he approached them. Could be a thousand reasons why and it doesn't matter.

As for the second part of what your taking about, i know full well about that.

You basically see a chick you wanna approach and then you position yourself so that she can see you and check you out and shit. You then see if she starts throwing approach invites at you. I have nothing against this style of game (my boy TVA_Oslo is extremely good at this) and I even fooled around with it for a while but its just not me.

If I see an attractive woman showing interest/approach invites I'll go approach her. If I see a hottie I want to approach but shes not sending me any signals (either because she isn't aware of me or just isnt sending signals, doesn't matter to me) I'll just simply go approach her. I dont fool around with the whole "make her see me and gauge her signals" thing. I rather just approach. At the point I'm at now it doesn't really matter because i'll often know in a matter of seconds and minutes if its likely to end up in a lay.

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Part of it is just semantics, we can call all women as DTF and we may be right, its just that one woman maybe 99% DTF and another one 0.1% DTF. So everybody that claim this is right.

However on the other hand - those that say not all women are DTF are right as well, since in PUA terms DTF means those that are actually on and those that know they they want to fuck. And not those that are DTF but only deep deep down inside.

So both opinions are correct, depends on what your semantics are :)
It's more than just semantics.

The language you use and the way you define words reflects the way you view the world, which as we all know, has an unmistakable effect on how you interact with the world. And, as this forum's very existence proves, how you interact with the world often determines your success at a given endeavor.

By using the standard 'PUA' definition of 'DTF,' you are automatically disqualifying a huge swath of women who are just as beautiful, sexy, intelligent, and worthy of your attentions as those who fall under my definition of the term.

The point of this post that everyone seems to have missed is this: why limit yourself? Why cut down on opportunities just because some take less effort than others?

I'm not saying that nothing good comes easily, only pointing out that what's easy isn't always what's best.

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All I am saying that I understand you when you say "all women are DTF" and I say that is correct. And on the other hand I understand others who say "not all women are DTF". They are correct as well. Its because when dudes go to club for sex and they look for DTF women thye usually look for the easiest ones, those that are sooooo sooo DTF and not those that are DTF in a tiny way deep inside. They simply do not call them DTF. And look at it this way - if everybody called ALL women DTF than that phrase "down to fuck women" would not exist, it would just be "women".


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if everybody called ALL women DTF than that phrase "down to fuck women" would not exist, it would just be "women".
Finally, somebody gets it!

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The dtf word is use, abuse and overused, women that will have faster and easier % probability to be responsive to your advances and most likely finish in bed with you on the same night based on body language reads, behaviors, information.. The phrase got popular with the "Jersey Shore", so now it has been abused in the forum specially by "stelar" and his wild imagination...

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