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PUA theories correlate with success, but they are not the cause of success
When thinking in causal one to one terms (like much of PUA), then answers are mutually exclusive. Either X or Y causes Z, but if X causes Z then it certainly isn't the result of Y. Of course, we could then extend to say X and Y causes Z, but A certainly doesn't. But if you take the approach that both X, Y, and A tell you different pieces of the story, you'll be on the right path to figuring out what works best for you. Humans are famously bad at thinking they know the cause of something by being fooled by various cognitive processes, which we will not delve into. Just realize that you don't understand things (about yourself or the world) as well as you'd like to believe. As a bit of extra advice, read up on this in your free time to interject humility into personal judgement and observations.
This is when experience comes in, patterns, and trends.
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We could ask ourselves, well should I workout, get a good job, or live in a shed? We'll, Bob over here lives in a shed and gets laid so the working out or job must not cause to get laid, so lets abandon those pursuits. Are you seeing the problem here? The shed may be irrelevant to the real reason Bob gets laid -- if we took Bob and made him 250 lbs, would the outcome change? Yes, but we can't know how much. If we made him a billionaire, would the outcome change? Yes, but we can't know how much. These anecdotes are simply observations correlated to the success of our case study. We do not know the actual cause.
Horrible example, but anyways how about you see that Bob over there, is lazy, full of excuse, and correlates success in game with money, nice, apt. and car to get a girl, instead of learning game. Why not learn game and continue his pursuits at the same time... Nice try... :Wink:
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But if we understand that these theories are correlations and that it'd be extremely hard for a bunch of PUA Scientists to figure out the true cause, then we realize the world doesn't have to be so black and white. If we ran a regression, we'd find tons of things (some inconsequential) seem to influence the outcome of attraction and/or seduction. We are in constant search for things with higher correlation, but that doesn't mean the theory is the cause increased success. They simple were observed occurring together.
All theories, methods, patterns all they do is give you higher % of success just like you just said.
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So as fun as it may be for people to jump on bandwagons and demonize the other side (who doesn't love a PUA sparring from time to time), be mindful that all these variables (theories) tell us something about the process we are seeking to master. And remember that just because when you ate ice cream and then suddenly a guy in a mask broke into your house, it did not happen because you took a bite of ice cream.
If you consistently see and experience for example in 15 years, lets say, 1000s of interactions among you, your friends, strangers: "excuse me you are hot, come here" that may work % maybe based on historical data 2% or less... Same dude, "hey, we do not know each other we do not have any fiends in common, so i decided to take the initiative an introduce myself, i am skills" probability of working probably 85 +%..... There is not universal method, women, countries, each individual is different, but there are some things based on "sample data" translation 10000 of approaches, patterns etc. that may increase probability...
pua is not only increasing success on getting laid, is be the best possible man you can be, getting a nice pimping car, nice place, and all the material bullshit in order to then get a girl, is not being the best man you can be, you are just being lazy, and skipping how to learn and attract women without resources, hobbit, dude, on those not have to be exclusive of the other, is living in a shed, and not working out being the best man you can be????? no right, as you said be HUMBLE and maybe learn something, from people that you think "are scumbags" but may teach you a thing or 2 if you keep an open mind...And please stop with this elaborated mental masturbation post, you talk to a girl like this she will run the other way..
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could not find the link is there any way you could post the link, you brought a subject of discussion about... Thanks in advance...Please remind me, never to engage in a discussion with you... thanks again!
