This is not mine is from another website but i thought i share, is some things that i wanted to express for a while since my writing sucks and my points come out all fucked up... i am just gonna start copying and pasting things that i wish to say but others can articulate better than me, hopefully you get something out of it, i do not agree about naturals dating 20-25% i would say probably like 5% but it depends on the situation and the person(since i only game strangers, i can not relate to that %), i also put in bold some things that relate to controversial posts/methods lately in the lounge:
you can`t reverse engineer natural game, because it doesn`t exist
I mean not in a sense as "do this, be like that"
naturals are as different, as they can be, because "naturals" is not the exceptions it`s the normal thing,
the other wannabe guys should have become by age 18-20, if they had a normal background, no computers and lots of physical activity, if they were socializing since the age of 5, if they were trying to date since the age of 15
if a kid, that is not a weirdo and plays with other kids and he has a normal family background and no bullshit tehnical, nonsense, geeky interests, by the age of 15, he has amassed a decade of experience in meeting and hanging out with people
he gathered all this knowledge by finding out intuitively what works, thus making it an organical part of his personality
so by the age of 25 these guys have 20 years of experience, how to socialize with people and 10 years of experience of getting women
a pickup geek starts at zero at any age
you`ve done something for 10 years, you have mastery over it, good luck trying to fake and teach that one
most of the women who hang around naturals, don`t do it, because they all want to fuck them
they use these guys as refreshement and even though some of these men do not have the flavour they like, they just wish, only if their current boyfriend would be partially as cool as this guy
so a natural mostly dates 20-25% of the women that surround him, but people mislabel anything by believing everything they see, so they give him this weird sort of bage of being an alpha male with the ultimate attraction mechanism installed by birth
this pickup industry is falling to pieces, because it was built on shaky foundations and childish misconceptions about women
when women are referring "just be yourself", it`s "try to be the best possible version of yourself"
when they say "sensitive man", they refer to "man" as a mature, go-getter, emotionaly stable, sexually experienced male, who occasionally treats them with romantic crap, that`s the "sensitive" part, while not loosing site of his goals and identity, so he looks like a man from beginning to start, with some touchy-feely intermezzo
in the end results always speak for themselves
if your tehnique/system has no results, then it`s just chicken bollocks and it has absolutely nothing to do with reality
don`t worry keep trying, nothing is perfect at the first try
or you can build wormhole to parallel universe, where plants breath push-pull and NEG-ing makes blue giants collapse into black holes .
here on natural game and escalationThere’s tons of problems with “natural game.” Just a few I can think of:
-Much of natural game, as its currently taught, relies on state pumping, ie “when you’re in state, you can say anything and it will work,” so guys are taught to run around the club unstifling and so forth. The problems with this are 1- guys are being taught to behave like absolute total retards, running around the club making animal noises, playing “dick lead chicken,” etc. And 2 – there is still a basic insecurity under all this, the idea that you have to be more than you are and put on a show in order to win over women. You’re just putting on the “state” show now rather than the “routine” show. It’s the same fundamental flaw that underlies canned game as well. Using this kind of stuff, in my opinion, fuels insecurity rather than helps it
-Much of natural game seems to be modeled off of popular “fratboy” types that Tyler, et al saw having success in the club. The problem is that emulating this kind of guy does not work for everyone, and for a lot of guys comes off as extremely unnatural (for example, can you really picture RSD Roger as a frat boy type?).
Guys, who would be better off developing their real personalities and finding their own niche, are instead suppressing their natural personality in favor of trying to become something that, frankly, is always going to be out of reach for them.
-There’s a big emphasis in natural game on physical escalation. While I think there is value in putting some focus on getting physical, especially for guys who are shy or uncomfortable with their sexuality, “natural game” teachers just take it way too far, especially when you tie the concept of escalation together with
same night lays, and the concept of frame control or dominance. At best, you have guys who get really REALLY creepy with girls, and in the worst case scenario, the emphasis on quick escalation and frame dominance leads to sexual assault (as witness that Fingerman thread from RSDNation that was posted here).
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As mentioned above, much emphasis in natural game gets placed on concepts like frame control and dominance. This has all sorts of fucked up effects. Guys who get really deep on frame control become freaks – and I don’t use that word lightly. They learn to approach social interaction in a sociopathic way. Even if you don’t go that far, you’re likely to become more weird that you were before if you spend much time thinking about bullshit like AMOGing, who is reactive/unreactive, etc. Focusing mentally on these kind of concepts results in you being completely unable to have a normal, no-agenda interaction with other people. Also, as a result of the whole dominance thing, t
here’s a lot of promotion of misogynistic attitudes on natural game boards.
-Perhaps as a backlash against the highly indirect approach used in structured game, there’s a quite a bit of emphasis placed on being direct by natural game companies. Like with escalation, there’s some value here – teaching a guy who is a little shy or unassertive to state what he wants confidently is not a bad thing. However, like with escalation, this is another example of taking the germ of a good concept and just going wayyyy too far with it.
With some natural methods, so much emphasis is placed on being direct that guys come to believe they don’t have to do ANYTHING else – you can literally be a fat, broke warcraft slob with no personality, and the fact that you approached with direct opener should be enough for the girl to decide to sleep with you. There’s a great thread somewhere on puahate about this asian dude who would accost girls in the street to tell them “you are breathtaking” – and he was constantly SHOCKED that the girls would not stay to talk to him, were weirded out, etc. The funny/sad part was,
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he went on doing this for MONTHS, oblivious to the feedback he was getting, because he had attended a bootcamp and installed this belief system about the power of direct game.
I could probably go on and on about this, but that should be enough for now. “Natural Game” is just as much of a misleading snakepit as any other type of game taught by the community.
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