Ok guys, a little example, and lesson, about your personal space.

Me, my wife, and my boy are at the mall this evening. I won't go into details about the trip, but one thing specifically.

At one point, we're walking through the mall, me in front, them two behind me.

A group of 5 or 6 black guys is walking directly toward us. Normally, when people see a group of guys, especially blacks, they move out of the way for them. I didn't. I kept my gaze directly ahead. I made EC with the guy in front of me. He broke EC and moved the group aside to make room for us.

The lesson here is this guys . . . you have your personal space. If you FILL your personal space, people WILL move out of the way for you. It's all in how you handle yourself.

I know I keep saying that, lol, but I can't stress it enough.

I do this all the time when I'm on my break at work (especially during the holidays since the mall was packed). I'm a small kid, but people moved out of the way for me. Eye contact is crucial for this though.

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They moved out of the way for you because you had a woman and a child.

They DHV (displayed higher value). Nothing alpha about it. I think it's called common courtesy, manners, social intelligence, etc..

Never let your ego cloud your good judgment when in public. Especially when you have your wife and child with you. You have a responsibility to keep them out of potentially dangerous situations or petty confrontations with other men.

Especially groups of other men that can clearly stomp your alpha male ass anytime they want too. Then what are your wife and child supposed to do?

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The problem with that thinking is that people aren't that courteous, to be realistic. I've seen it happen many times that they group of guys just don't care and you HAVE to make room for them. I've seen big guys and their whole families move for the group. No, the group doesn't care about courtesy. At least in my area.

Yeah thats how you do it. Claim your place L.A. Trip! I can't believe you're married with kids. That was a surprise.

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People will take advantage of your space unless you demonstrate that you own it. If Tripp had moved out of the way, the guys wouldn't have moved an inch, regardless of wife or kid, but because he held his ground and showed that they needed to give him space they moved.

This isn't to say that the wife and kid weren't a factor, because they are a big one. If he hadn't had them, it is quite possible that the guys wouldn't have moved, because they would have placed there value in their space as higher, because they were a group, vs one guy. If they were a group with little self esteem, then they would still move out of the way, because they put their value below his. That is what dictates who moves out of the way.

Through a series of complex systems, we are always determining where we sit on the food chain. If we feel that someone else has lower value, we expect them to move and vice versa. So if you both think the other guy is lower, you might end up colliding.

Occassionally you need to realise that the other person has higher value as far as owning that space. Are you gonna be the guy that places his value above a 90 year old woman and forces her to step off of a narrow sidewalk, or will you show that you have higher value than that guy, by acknowledging her value and moving out of the way. You will let your boss stand or sit in a better spot than you unless he comes to you in your office, then you're not gonna give up your chair for him because you would be showing extreme low value. Yet if he were to be sitting in your chair when you came into your office you wouldn't expect him to move, you would take the seat on the other side of the desk, or you would stand.

Know where you stand and where they stand and then they will comply if their value is lower, but remember that you will have to move for other people as well.

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Huh, personally I would never test my Alpha frame with wife and a child with me. The guys moved away and thats fine but there could have been tons of circumstances that could put your family in danger. They could have been on drugs for example and giving shit about you or your family.

I read your posts and you have solid game but nothing is more precious then your family and . "Protector of the loved ones", ring any bells?

When I was younger I had a preety bad attitude, always confronting, being Alpha prick among other males, never stepping back, getting in fight almost every weekend...
I still perserved (don`t f**k with me) reputation which I now keep with lot more sophisticated behaviour but I would never have trouble with backing off if that would put my family out of any potentially risky situation.


If you were alone, taht would be another story but even then, risk management is nice threat to have and you would`t become pussy if you moved away from those guys!

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Ok, I see that my point was actually missed, so I want to clarify this. The detail of my wife and kid being there was just that, a detail. I apparently shouldn't have included that, because to be honest, they were behind me and probably not even visible at that point.

The whole point of this was I owned my space. No, I wasn't staring them down or looking to pick a fight, or acting like a billigerent ass or anything like that. It's simple. I owned my space. I didn't even have a "mean" look on my face.

Sorry for the confusion.

There is no confusion! You tested your Alpha frame and it worked great but there is still MAJOR fact that your loved ones were near you and they COULD got hurt if those decided to punish a dude who eye contacted them and didn`t want to move away. (in my country, eye contact with wrong people can get you seriously hurt).

You proved your point and thats great but circumstances were poteantially risky for your family and I am sure you will react differently if you find youself in the SAME situation again.

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It's all about perception. If you perceive yourself walking straight then others will move.

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Was out in the mall today with a friend and this definately works, but getting eye contact is really important. There are still a few things you have to move around, like stopped groups of people. But all in all this does work

That's why I'm glad I was born in Canada. People have common sense and courtesy about stuff like that most of the time and won't fuck a guy up just because he was with his wife and family and so he didn't move out of their way. As I said, if you are with your wife and kids, there is no reason for you to move out of the way of a group of people unless you are in THEIR space, because they should have social grace and respect that and then put you higher than themselves on the social chain and thus move out of YOUR space. If you were walking directly at them and you have tons of room to avoid, then that's a different circumstance, but that isn't what happened, so we won't talk about that.

If people (even criminals) go to the extent of looking for trouble, that they will kick your ass for not moving out of their way, then maybe you should do something about where you live, because that's just not normal human behaviour, we have evolved passed that level of brutality.

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Rye, this is what Alpha males do. Compete for mental and physical dominance.

What did you expect? A tea party or something?

Doesn't make much sense to stare down or physically challenge other men in public that can clearly stomp your ass if they choose to play your game and escalate physically. Especially if you have your family or girlfriend in tow. Both are liabilities in a physical confrontation.

This is basic human social behavior and street smart suvival 101.

And no, mankind hasn't evolved past that level of brutality. Violence of this sort is a fairly common occurrence worldwide.

It's easily avoided with a little common sense and experience. Better to be smarter than the average dick, than just more physically aggressive. Especially when they can obviously wipe the floor with your ass. And aggressively staring other men down in public is physical aggression. And it's not a necessary act. Fortunately most people don't do this.

And if you know any women that expect you to engage in such senseless shyt as a pre-requisite for sleeping with them, etc.. Tell 'em to f..k off.

Because 'some women' seem to delight in watching men tear each other apart, or worse over them. Well they do until it's over. Then they get hysterical and act like Vanna White when nobody gets a letter, wondering how it all could have happened. Then they just move onto the next fool.

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I think you missed the point entirely Buck.

The point isn't that he was testing his "alphaness", but that it is perfectly reasonable to stand your ground when you have the rights to your ground.

If someone is obviously gonna cause trouble, then you avoid them for sure, but that isn't what happened, by being confident in his right to his space he didn't have to move out of the way of some guys, but they instead moved aside for him. There was no violence going on, so why the fuck does everyone think that he was walking around picking fights, this is getting fucking absurd. Why are you guys being so fucking contradictory and pissy about a simple matter of confidence. You parade this shit around all the time, but when someone else says it, you question their ability to judge when a situation is problematic and assume that a guy is purposely putting family at risk, when he is merely saying that it is a good thing to walk with your head held high and self confidence because others will respect you for it.

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Look, I agree with Sturback on this matter completly. Tripp did what he did and it ended like it did and that was good. He tested his alphaness and it worked. But it could easily ended differently. If other guy was also somebody who likes to claim and test his alphaness it could have ended totally different. I for example, totally hate when somebody eye contact pressures me and if I was the one who Tripp was looking in the eyes I would be the first one who would stop and ask: "Do we know each other?". Considering the fact that his family was with him I would do it gently and peacefully but in any other case I don`t tolerate when a guy stares at me. And just for your information, I am not some barbarian from some European mountain, I am manager in a well known international company with college degree. But I am also in Alpha mode and I hate when somebody questions that, even only with eye pressure.

Remember, there is no the ultimate Alpha male in the world. There are only bunch of more or less dominant guys and whenever you wanna test how dominant you really are, you can get negatively surprised when you across to more dominant creature! And when you do that, you don`t wanna be surounded by your loved ones.

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