I'll respond in this thread on how pick-up works and how much work you'll have to put in to this to become good.

1. How many times do I get rejected per night.

If I go from 12-5 am , the average rejection rate is 60% , that is if I hit on every attractive woman I see by opening with " I am going to be honest , I really like you and I want to know you"

These are no sets , even if they are in groups I only go for the one I want.

If I go for a ONS I get rejected no more than 1 time. This happens because I preselect DTF women and I use the late hour to my advantage.

12am-3am : " I am going to be honest , I really like you and I want to know you"

Good idea is to change venues from 12-3 from 3 - closing.

3am- closing : I am going to be honest with you , I want you in every postion / I want to exchange orgasms / I want to invite you at my place. ( whatever works for you as long as you are direct)

2. How much time did it take me to get to this level ?

2 years of pain.

I lost my virginity at a young age , been with a couple of prostitutes until I was 16.
Also at 16 my girlfriend cheated with an older guy and basically this is what motivated me to go out and fuck my way through life.

It all started in march 2006 and I went to the clubs consistently until December 2011 when I started posting regularly on forums.

In essence it will take you 1 year of 3 nights/week of going out to get GOOD.
and another 1 year to be GREAT and consistent as I am in pulling and screening.

Hurts but this is the truth , no one helped me when I was in need of advice.

3. How many different women did I have ?

I am almost 23 and I had 250 + women.

4. Type of clubs that will increase your success.

If you are looking for experience always go to HIGH GLAMOUR CLUBS.

ALWAYS.

In those kind of clubs you will see other naturals like myself pull and you will also see that 9's and 10's are EASIER to fuck than average looking women.

Only idiots with no actual interaction with women will say that 10's are hard to fuck , it's exactly the opposite.

I have had 3somes with 9's and 10's and they devoured me , those women are so hungry for sex than if you decide to keep one around she will bring you to ruin.

Another thing to remember is that the male/female ratio in a glamour club is 1.5/1 (this is generalization) as for a hipster / rock / underground clubs when I think the ratio is 3/1.

This happens because there the majority of men think they are not good enough for a 10 and they decide to go to place where they think they may score with a woman in they reach.

The point is that Glamour clubs have less males and more females and also the average "hotness" of women is higher.

5. To smile or not to smile.

This is a BIG ONE.

Every loser on seduction forums will say : ALWAYS MAKE HER LAUGH , BE A FUN GUY AND DON'T FORGET TO SMILE... NO NO NO !!!

NO MATTER WHAT YOUR DESIRE FOR THAT WOMEN IS ... NEVER EVER SMILE WHEN YOU APPROACH HER.

IT'S BETTER TO LOOK INTIMIDATING THAN TO SMILE.

WOMEN ARE MORE ATTRACTED TO ANGRY LOOKING MEN
WOMEN ALWAYS TAKE YOU SERIOUS IF YOU SAY YOU WANT TO "FUCK THEM" WITH A STRAIGHT FACE,

IN 6 YEARS SO FAR , THE ONLY TIMES WHEN I SCREWED UP WITH WOMEN WAS WHEN I WAS FRIENDLY AND ALL SMILES.

I GET MORE IOI'S AND OVEREXERTIONS WHEN I AM PISSED

Every other fucking loser on this planet is smiling at women.

I HAVE MET A FEW ACTUAL PIMPS IN MY LIFE SO FAR (ALL PIMPS ARE NATURALS) AND THEY NEVER SMILE.

THIS IS WHY I MANAGED TO GET 5 MINUTE PULLS ON 9'S AND 10'S.
THEY KNEW I WAS ALL BUSINESS AND TOOK IT LITERALLY.

6. Final words.

In my view the world we live in driven by ENERGY and SIMPLICITY.

The more energy I put in what I want the better I get.
The simplest solution is always the best.

See what you want and take it.

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Before I sign off I'll leave you this video.

Go back to your roots.

Watch the first minute of this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDzUgoQP ... re=related

SHOW DOMINANCE

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I'm sorry but I just can't help myself but smile.

You believe the "DTF" term is a correct term, and 250+ women are a topping average on the age of 23? Dude, I got laid 31 times on one and a half year, and I coun't my game as pretty solid.

BUT never would I claim such an outrageous number. Nevertheless, if it is as it is, then it would be..

But I can't help myself but smile.

≠ LD

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Your thoughts on accepting high rejection rates in a small -medium town while developing?

This is what 60yoc said: Tension Point
Right after you ask a woman for anything she will pause for a second and look at you.
She wants to see if you are being serious and genuine (ie. will you pretend you were
joking by cracking a smile). She also wants to see how you handle the tension of those
few seconds. She is looking for neediness. Based on how you handle yourself goes a
long way in determining what her response will be. Remember most decisions to say
yes or no are made in the moment. So make that moment count

The Poker Face
Poker Face
The most interesting man in the world is a good listener.
I finally figured out the best way to listen that will have women constantly trying to
qualify themselves to you. This is the holy grail.
The Blank Expression
The key is to keep a completely blank expression on your face and stay absolutely
silent. Similar to a poker players face when he doesn’t want to give away his hand. For
example, do not smile, widen your eyes or even nod your head. Do nothing. Complete
blank stare. The poker face works even better than using “I’m skeptical about
you” facial expressions when she talks.
The reason this works so well is because you aren’t giving her any verbal or non-verbal
feedback. Thus she will keep talking (qualifying herself) and try harder and harder to get
your approval.
No Feedback
On the one hand she likes that you are such a good listener. You’re holding seductive
eye contact and paying close attention to her. But for some strange reason she still
feels like she needs to impress you and isn’t quite be sure why.
It’s because you gave her no feedback in the form of facial expressions which she is
used to getting when she talks to an interested guy.
In fact she is used to every guy supplicating to her through small facial expressions
like constant nodding and smiling. Little do these guys know they are validating her and
breaking the sexual tension with their micro facial expressions.
Guys are also famous for constantly interrupting women mid-sentence with their own
even better, cooler and funnier story. This only sets the frame that you are trying to
impress her. Remember the person talking is the person qualifying.

Yes, I approve of Stelar's approach. There is nothing to smile about when approaching women in general. They are boring as fuck, they only give you a hard time apart from sex and the rest is drama. Why else would I need a woman besides sex? I can even cook better than most. This one straight guy I know that acts like a fag and talks a lot/laughs around women said that he doesn't like to be a manly man because "They appear so angry bla bla". And since most of us use facebook here, look at what most guys post on that HB10's wall. They are all a bunch of pussies. There is so much homosexuality going on a hot girl's facebook wall that it's nothing to laugh at. She's got more than enough friends anyways. Over 3000 since you last checked her profile. So quit being a pussy and think with your dick.

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Excellent! This is the thing i do not understand and i ask sex addict the same question, i have been with anywhere 300-500 women or more who knows, but here is my key question for you, how do you keep count, nobody i know keeps counts, well only the sex man, he said it was some type of contest, but anyways, just curious to know about the count specially since you are a natural... Second, the ratio of 3-1 on the clubs you mention is at pick up time, as night progresses it could get all the way to 10-1, with that being said, the other problem i have is the"high glamorous clubs" the reasoning you gave of why some of us don't go, is not really accurate, those high glamorous clubs, for me, are really really boring, second you have to wait in line forever, or go with a girl,and the music is techno all night, which i get bored of, everything else really good, good job. And yes in my experience, those techno clubs have the hottest girls.. Other problem i have with guys that lay a lot, while i lay a lot( i had always manage to have what i call a "main girl" through out the years), i always had a gf, with fuckatons, in my experience get boring after a while.. Also, if you are 23 how did you get into those glamorous clubs? Usually 21 and over, i mean what you write is good, but a lot of stuff don't add up, where are the clubs????? are you in europe??????Thanks in advance, also are you going this direct, with 23 and under girls, the direct sexual in my experience works a bit more 24 and over, anyway just curious...
How tall are you?
how do you look like?

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Do you love women, and really listen to them? I understand the smile part, but what i am searching for is a fuck buddy or a girl that will understand my ways and come with me on a journey... But your words are rough and tough and seems like the words are pissed themselves ...so tell me please, do you care about them at all except sex ?

This seems too boastful and braggadocious to be real. I highly doubt the authenticity of this story.

Key reason for suspicion:
Sounds more like a brag report than friendly advice. Just sayin'.

Agree with that smiling. I really saw the truth behind it last night.

In fact, I say you should never smile unless something genuinely funny happens. Like when someone trips up flat on their face. That's funny. Don't even smile when you see your best friend at the bar, although who cares about that because you're not trying to pick him up.

Only smile when somethings funny.

I haven't field tested this, but I had an epiphany when observing some guys.

he´s just trying to tell us how cool he is,ho skilled he is, *number womans he fucked
This ´´should´´ be one of he last post he said,but ´´something´´ is gonna tell me that he´ll go on,but if he leaves i´ll miss him a little

another great post

spice out

The "not smiling" thing is true, especially on approach. It keeps women's attention. However even if you don't want to be as direct as stelar, keeping a serious face is a good thing upon approach. However! It doesn't mean you have to remain serious. If you cannot be as direct as Stelar, you don't have to be. You can build rapport and eventually bring out a smile. But it has been documented many many times, that women are more attracted to men that are not smiling.

So save the smiles for mid conversation. Also if you have any online photo's of yourself, try to keep them serious. It's been proven that women are more attracted to serious photo's over smiling ones. Men on the other hand are attracted to smiling photo's.

On another note, You guys don't have to do exactly as Stelar does, what you need to do is understand the pyschology behind it and make your own style out of it.

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Okay. This is my test plan for Stelar's Method (SM).

First Test - Online, 1 Chick. I need to calibrate reactions. Done. Just awhile ago this chick replied to the, "Honestly, I want to fuck you" SM routine. By the tone of her email, she was mad as hell. Then I immediately replied with a vicparkguy83 "Hey babe thanks for the reply." response routine followed by the, "I won't apologize for being a man."

Guess what? The chick replied back this time teasing me. I replied back with my field tested, "Ewww. Yuck" routine.

Second Test - Online, 10 Chicks. I need to know if the first test can be replicated.

Third Test - Day Game, 1 Chick. I need to calibrate reactions.

Fourth Test - Day Game, 10 Chicks. Same rationale as 2nd test.

Fifth Test - Night Game, 1 Chick. Same rationale as 3rd test.

Sixth Test - Night Game, 10 Chicks. Same rationale as 4th test.

I'll make a Lay Report when I fuck close the chick in the First Test.

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Good question.

It seems like this strategy can get you one night stands, and I believe your lay count.

But what if the goal is not to get lays? I'm looking for a girl who I connect with on a much deeper level, not only because I prefer emotional sex.

How can your strategy of sexual directness be applied to a man looking for a woman he connects with?

Okay brothers. She just sent her picture. She's ugly as fuck. But for the sake of science and this test, I'll try to fuck close still.

Damn this big ego of mine.

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Hellhound , enjoy the ride, i must say i did the same thing. I kiss closed a girl that i wasn't really attracted to, but the more i spend time with her , the more i think it was a good decision! It's all about good connection...Anyhow, w/e you do i know it will be an experience worth remembering! Damn this ego we need to fight with xD