”Looks doesn´t matter”

It´s a common sentence among PUA gurus. This is untrue. It is 100% crap. It is bullshit.

I believe a large quanitity of people joining these kind of forums have ”below average looks.” I also believe that most of them are bad with woman when they come here. Naturally, the other part are guys with average or better than average looks.

All of us gets the message ”looks doesn´t matter” when we sign up. Why? Because the PUA industry is built around this concept. They can´t make you taller. They can´t grow you new hair. BUT they can make you improve in other areas.

Still… looks matter. Actually, looks means a lot for girls! You probably think ”fuck, that´s it. No pussy on me this weekend” Bro, think again.

It´s important for you to understand that looks means a lot for your life situation. I have two buddies; Wayne and Aaron. Wayne looks like Brad Pitt version 2 and is always the center of the party. The girls cling on him, they buy him drinks, they ask him if he wants to fuck, they stay around him like securitygards stays around the president. Wayne is funny. He´s a cool person to be around.

Aaron on the other hand is more unlucky. His looks are below average. He is skinny and small. He´s often negative and has low thoughts of himself. No girls clings on him, buy him drinks, ask if he wants to fuck. They get to know him in order to talk to Wayne. Aaron is a really great guy but the girls doesn´t seem to like him.

The point is: looks and personality has a correlation. Wayne gets a lot of positive feedback due to his looks without even lifting a finger, while Aaron gets a lot of negative feedback because of his bad looks. The looks influences their personality in a positive (Wayne) and negative (Aaron) way. It´s easy for Wayne to reflect a lot of value because he gets so much from the woman he´s around. Aaron can´t reflect the same amount of value because other people gets it from the girls.

So to the fuckers on here looking like Brad Pitt: CONGRATS. Practise putting the condom on. And to the more unlucky of you guys (including me): do whatever it takes to improve your looks. Even though you are a really great person you will be rejected a lot and get negative feedback. If you don´t know how to handle it, it will rape your ass 24/7.

If you have better than average looks you will get more positive feedback than negative and have enough basis to fuck every night (if you want). You will seldomly be rejected. The better you look the less game you need. I am NOT saying it´s impossible to get women with bad looks but it´s a LOT harder!

”So how can I fix my looks?” you ask. It´s many ways to do it and it is a must for the ugly people.

START LIFTING WEIHTS AND GET VISIBLE MUSCLES, BROAD SHOULDERS AND SIXPACK. (+2)

What is more attracting?

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THE INTERNET IS FULL OF RESOURCES ON ”HOW TO DRESS” SO GO BUY SOME NICE OUTFITS. DON´T WEAR THE SAME BORING STUFF ALL THE TIME. (+1)

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This is just two of the things you can improve. Go make your teeth white, take solarium, make sure you can give girls orgasms et cetra. DO EVERYTHING you can to improve your looks and it will give you a lot of ”free” game.

Just by starting to train, improving clothing style and learn how to give girls orgasms (getting confidence) you can go from being a 3 to a 7. Period.

Just me talking about something important.
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You are right but I think you're missing the point.

I think the level of attractiveness is a weighted average of looks and personality. I think for most men the weight of looks is (significantly) higher than personality, especially initially and at younger ages. I think for women it is the other way around, however again, at younger ages looks are relatively more important to them also.

I pity far more ugly women than ugly men. As an ugly woman, you are really nothing. Neither women nor men will respect you, you will probably not have a great career (how many ugly women with a great career do people know? I don't know any tbh) and you will have a boring life unless you have rich parents. I don't personally know any (examples of) ugly women who have a lot of fun.
As a man, at least other men will respect you if you have a skill, are very intelligent or have a dominant personality. Women will also be attracted to a man like that much more than a man would be attracted to the female version of this person.

If you're ugly and you're a man, just thank god you're not a woman and fix some shit you can.

To an extent, you are correct. It is a marketing tool to say looks do not matter at all, because let's be frank, most guys who are selling this stuff are pretty good looking dudes.

HOWEVER!

I don't think anybody advocates against dressing well, brushing your teeth and flossing regularly, using deodorant, etc. I hold that looks are an asset, and if you have them you may as well take advantage of them. But the genetic stuff? Yeah, game can beat it. My example is my face, I know that traditional "handsomeness" includes that chiseled jaw that I will never have. I don't, therefore, claim that I simply wasn't meant to have any success wtih women.

Looks can help, certainly, but game>looks every time.

I agree with a lot of the points made in this post. I do believe that putting effort into yourself, (working out, good fashion, proper hygiene, etc.) play an important role. I've always found one of the most attractive qualities a girl can have is the ability to put effort, energy, and time into herself. I see no reason for not doing the same.

Yes looks matter but they are not everything.

Agreed.

But hey, look at Mehow and Ross Jeffries. They are ugly as fk but they put a lot of work into this and they are some of the best.

Hell yeah looks matter, anyone who tells you otherwise is probably trying to sell you something.

That being said, you can't just rely on looks alone if you have the personality of a dead fish, it doesn't matter how ripped or pretty you are you can still turn girls off you by being a clueless moron.

That's actually one of the biggest differences between male and female sexuality in my humble opinion, there is no shortage of guys who would happily fuck a complete dickhead just because she's hot. Get in, then get out.

To become a true stud among men, you can't afford to neglect either looks or personality, together they make up the complete attraction package.

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Excuse me?

Hell yeah looks matter. Anyone who argues with the fact looking like David Beckham wouldn't help in pickup is wacko....... Very, very wacko....

Looks help, but in a womans eyes they are but one of many things they go for. Versus for a man its all we go for.

The point to be made here is that men have various controllable sexual qualities. Yes their looks to a point, but also: a sense of humor, bad ass attitude etc etc. A guy with a great SOH and the skill to use it right can overcome his poor looks and still get the girl. The same does not work the other way around.

What is it with guys that dig fat chicks??? You guys are on crack...

If a guy is eye-candy he has a very good chance of going out to a club and getting a one nighter easy. Why? Cause women LOVE sex too. They're just picky about who they do it with.

I remember, about two years ago watching I Am Legend at a theater. The scene where Will Smith was doing pull-ups... Almost every woman whistled. Looks can be big.

Of course other things like being a male slut can turn a lot of women off no matter how good the looks are, too.

Yep, I know some fat ugly dudes that have pretty good game/personalitities that women don't mind talking to at all, but when it comes time to # closing or trying to escelate the situation completely changes.

I on the other hand am above average looking(hard to say without coming off as a presumptuous asshole, but the amount of AI's I get from cute girls on a very regular basis speaks for itself) and when my game is piss poor I'm still definitely given a good bit of leaway by girls.

Well... the bastard still gets results...

Ok. There is one thing you all need to realise about HOW looks effect game and its really fucking simple:

Looks ONLY matter if they are below the minimum the target girl will find acceptable. Normally, this is somewhere between a 3-4/10. So, unless you are REALLY unattractive (1-3/10) looks won't become the limiting factor in your game for quite a long time. Notice I say limiting factor - this is the point at which a certain quality will be holding you back no matter how attractive your other qualities are. This limiting factor can be looks, personality, financial situation, health or anything. Luckily though, for most people the only time a single factor will be limiting is if it below about 3/10.

Now, to talk about looks specifically. As many people have said already, the majority of people are NOT fuck ugly. The key is to make the best of what you have just like you try to do with your personality, money, health etc.

To give you an idea, just look at some before and after pictures of diets/make overs and you tell me which is more attractive.....

As I have said in a similar thread (about races...) Everything matters. And if you are weak in one thing, you can normally compensate for it in other things. Unless you wanna work on your weaknesses that is...

The worst thing you can do though, is to focus on your problems and let them get in the way... Better to focus on your strengths and use them to your advantage...

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