what do you guys think do these pick up artist really want to help you guys out or want are doing just business and just want to make money?

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90% Money
10% Help

If you doubt that, just read the BS they spew in their marketing. I suspect most of them couldn't game a hooker at a whore house. Basically they're out to make money by taking advantage of lonely guys and if they end up helping a few, that's cool too.

Some are simply marketers that only care about your cash and some are legitimate guys who want you to succeed.

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I have actually failed at this once on a carribean vacation. It's hard dude they want your money!! lol. Just like the gurus. It's a job.

I give the gurus credit for giving guys a sense of confidence, misguided as it might be, and inspiring them to get out and be social. They get you to jump in the water and the lucky ones learn to swim.

Don't get me wrong, there is some good information out there. The trick is to recognize the good and discard the bad, which takes experience. And there are no one-size-fits-all solutions like they'd have you believe. Game is personal, what works for me may not work for you and what works for you might get me kicked out of the bar. What attracts one girl may get another to throw a drink in your face. It takes experience to socially calibrate and know which one to talk to and which one to walk away from. You can't learn this from a weekend bootcamp or some ebook, especially when the teachers really don't know much more than you do. You have to get out there and make mistakes.

My big issue with the gurus is they seem to be breaking down game and making it simpler when they're really just making things overly complicated. Men and women have been hooking up since the dawn of time, it ain't that difficult. It doesn't take 7 hours and going from A1 to C4 or whatever to get laid, it takes sexual confidence and becoming an attractive Man (capital "M") which are things the gurus either ignore or just don't seem to get.

I'll give ya a hint, if you want to find the legit teachers you should look for the ones who don't call themselves "pick up artist."

Most of the legit teachers out there reject that label. Lets not start a debate on why this is or anything like that because thats just a tip.

Some of the guys I highly respect who all teach "pick up" professionally include:

RSD guys.
Rob Judge and Zack Bauer (together they have a company called Date Hotter Girls)
Mark Manson (good friend of Rob and Zack. Runs 'Practical Pickup')
60yearsofchallenge (also a friend of Rob, Zack, and Mark... notice a coincidence?)
Aaron Sleazy (has his own book of field reports: 'Sleazy Stories')

But, the truth is, you need to look no further then this forum. There are many helpful posters here with a ton of experience willing to help you at no cost.

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i would say, all of them, are first here to make money, and then to help you out.
I remember when i didnt know much about game and a girl cheated on me, i was hurt and broken inside, helplessly hurt, didnt know what to do.
Then i wrote an email to Afc Adam explaining the trouble i am in and how much i want to learn to take control of my life and i also requested him to give me his book explaing that i am a student and i don't have credit card to pay.
I was expecting him to understand my situation and help me out of it. Did he help me?
No. He replied, "the only way to get the back is to buy it "
and then i just searched the internet, and downloaded that book for free. And when he launched his home study course, i did that same thing and downloaded from hotfile.
Was giving a book of 35 or so pages for free was really a big deal for him?
How he claims to help guys for free?
There are all just marketing tricks and tricks to present a great image. And when these guys release some thing for free, their purpose is to sell the main programme behind that.

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God forbid a person makes money of their work...

Lets put it this way, lets say your boss comes up to you:

"hey, my company is having a hard time...Im going to need you to work for free"

.... I think you see my point.

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yeah, definately got it. And what afc adam did was, for sure, ok if he was running out of business and a few dollars could save the business
and as the saying goes, "there are a hundred ways to do what you want but the question is, are your eyes opened?"

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thats pretty unfair, afc adam gives away loads of free advice on this forum, at the under21, and on his youtube channel, just because he doesn't want to give away his pay to read material for free doesn't make him a money hungry pirate

He gives you a free ebook today, you go back tomorrow he close down.

First off, does it matter as long as you improve?

They have a skillset that people are willing to pay for. They can teach and get money or teach without getting money... What would you choose?

It is not just about getting money, it is about trading, knowledge for resources. Do you think a supermarket employee wants to put can up on shelves? No, but the cans get up there because someone pays them. Bottom line, when you enter the store, the cans are up on the shelves.

Anyhow, on this forum, there are people who are teaching for money... But here on the forum, you can ask anyone anything for free. And some guys here are at least as good as the MPUAs you are referring to!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

yeah i totally understand what you are saying here and that's the reason behind writting this post to guy you people's views. And now personally, i had a really tough time in my early days of pu, i had to go alone out every day and night, practice, make notes and then doing it again. I still remember how confusing and sometimes irritating it was and may be that's why i think that helping guys should be the basic aim, we are not talking about selling a product for hair. It's directly related to the emotions of people here. And may be that's why i am so active helping guys here.
Now as for as forum is concerned here is my take
1. Some people are using the forum to advertise their products and boot camps without actually getting involved with the guys here.
2. There are really some good guys here who are offering good advice.
3. There are also some good-for-nothing guys here who are bullshiting around.
4. Basically this forum is not, "gurus helping guys" it's "guys helping other guys"
well. That's itthat's why i am so active helping guys here.
Now as for as forum is concerned here is my take
1. Some people are using the forum to advertise their products and boot camps without actually getting involved with the guys here.
2. There are really some good guys here who are offering good advice.
3. There are also some good-for-nothing guys here who are bullshiting around.
4. Basically this forum is not, "gurus helping guys" it's "guys helping other guys"
well. That's it

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Khuram,


1.- You can look at the glass 2 ways half full or half empty.
2.- So take their advise
3.-do not take their advise
4.- What is a "guru"? Get a feel for people who got game, and for people who don't and use the advise of the people you feel got game, or they do not even have to have game, people that make sense. I learn from newbies with no game whatsoever all the time? you can learn from everybody, i learned the other day from one of your post, and you are not a guru.


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Eagle: head high raising up(soaring)

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