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If you where interested in a guy and he told you that he did not want to go out with you out right, would you stop or try to win him over? And by winning I mean using normal girl tactics to get the guy, no PUA stuff.
"normal girl tactics."

Girls invented the original game. Our tactics are what PUA is based on/a reaction to.

So, if I'm interested in a guy and he told me he did not want to go out with me out right... if I'm still interested, I'll try to make myself available to him to sweat over. Yeah, I'm going to flirt with other guys, make sure I'm around but not paying attention to or looking at him, basically... demonstrate what he's missing out on.

So yeah, I'd try to make it his idea to reconsider and ask me out. However, if he takes too long, I'm going to get asked out by someone else.
Thank you for the reply Zip. I would certainly agree a lot of PUA came from girls. The reason I said "normal girl tactics", is because she is like the female version of a male AFC. As far as the time length goes, wouldn't you consider something like this going on for over 3 month a wee bit long?
3 months? NOPE. Girls are plotters and planners and will drag it out as long as it takes. I've had male projects that span a YEARS. Why? Because it's fun.

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Hey Zip!

I got talking to a girl in a colledge class, she claimed "if I'm in a bad mood, I'll tell a guy approaching me to fuck off... ...unless he is hot".

I've never met this in anyone I have ever approached, how many girls say this, compared to how many actually do this?
Yes, she means this. Many girls, who are SICK of just being nice and accomodating AFC's will say this, and do this.

However, she's not really sure of what she means. You ask a girl what she wants... she'll say "six pack abs and a Colgate smile." Yet, you'll see this same girl with an "average" guy, ask her why she's with him, and she'll just say, "there's just something about him."

Same principle applies. Just because she says that, and believes it, does not mean that she'll only respond to a hot guy when she's fed up with the day. If a brilliant man comes in and breaks her routine... I'm talking about a fabulous PUA... she'll definitely respond... probably better than she would just a Colgate smile.

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"normal girl tactics."

Girls invented the original game. Our tactics are what PUA is based on/a reaction to.

So, if I'm interested in a guy and he told me he did not want to go out with me out right... if I'm still interested, I'll try to make myself available to him to sweat over. Yeah, I'm going to flirt with other guys, make sure I'm around but not paying attention to or looking at him, basically... demonstrate what he's missing out on.

So yeah, I'd try to make it his idea to reconsider and ask me out. However, if he takes too long, I'm going to get asked out by someone else.
Thank you for the reply Zip. I would certainly agree a lot of PUA came from girls. The reason I said "normal girl tactics", is because she is like the female version of a male AFC. As far as the time length goes, wouldn't you consider something like this going on for over 3 month a wee bit long?
3 months? NOPE. Girls are plotters and planners and will drag it out as long as it takes. I've had male projects that span a YEARS. Why? Because it's fun.
Oh boy. I just I got my self another practice target. :twisted:


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Hey Zip,

Would you say that creating sexual tension from the get go is a NECESSITY? Kino...gazing....UNIQUE compliments....sideway hugs ...etc? Like NEVER thinking, "i can do it later."

Sometimes i feel simply "this isn't the time to get sexual"....maybe we are just having a solid conversation at the moment(dont want to interrupt with going sexual and getting our minds off track of the actual content).....too many people around and no way to isolate, etc.

I'm completely open to the option of me simply thinking WRONG, because of course a lot of these concepts seem counter-intuitive to a lot of people. Looking forward to your thoughts, thanks!


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Hi Zip,, Met this girl at a club last night and have to say she is hot, although I didnt get to speak to long to her I just introduced myself and her the same, then I had to go so I gave her a hug and she held it for a while ;) my mate introduced me to her sort of lol and he said he'll give me her msn addy, but I want to know what would be the best way to turn this into a relationship? considering I'll be starting off using msn, your advice would be most welcomed lol I want to find out how to do it before I can actually do it :D

also I'm having trouble K-closing given difficult situations, what is the best way to do this in your opinion?

Totti;; 8)


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Yes, she means this. Many girls, who are SICK of just being nice and accomodating AFC's will say this, and do this.

However, she's not really sure of what she means. You ask a girl what she wants... she'll say "six pack abs and a Colgate smile." Yet, you'll see this same girl with an "average" guy, ask her why she's with him, and she'll just say, "there's just something about him."

Same principle applies. Just because she says that, and believes it, does not mean that she'll only respond to a hot guy when she's fed up with the day. If a brilliant man comes in and breaks her routine... I'm talking about a fabulous PUA... she'll definitely respond... probably better than she would just a Colgate smile.
Cheers zip, so I take it this is a "I don't know what I want" kind of situation.

The accurrate interpretation of what she said is something along the lines of "if someone approaches me in a really unorigonal and boring way I'll tell him to fuck of, unless their is an aesthetic quality to him". Yes?

Also where do you draw the line between he's flirting with me but doesn't really want me, and he's flirting with me but isn't man enought to ask for my number?

Is it purely down to the number of IOI's you give out? I always felt like flirting (teasing playfully etc) was in itself an IOI.


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dearest zip,
If you were walking along minding your own buisness when a mutantly large komodo dragon jumps in front of you and tells you to help him with his algebra homework or else, would you:
a)seduce him
b)send your goon squad to attack in alpha formation
c)attempt at murder or
d)squat down to try to avoid being seen
and why did you choose your answer...

P.S-you cant help him with his algebra hw because when he jumped in the air he glomped you on the head and you got amnesia and forgot how


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Hey Zip,

Would you say that creating sexual tension from the get go is a NECESSITY? Kino...gazing....UNIQUE compliments....sideway hugs ...etc? Like NEVER thinking, "i can do it later."

Sometimes i feel simply "this isn't the time to get sexual"....maybe we are just having a solid conversation at the moment(dont want to interrupt with going sexual and getting our minds off track of the actual content).....too many people around and no way to isolate, etc.

I'm completely open to the option of me simply thinking WRONG, because of course a lot of these concepts seem counter-intuitive to a lot of people. Looking forward to your thoughts, thanks!
yes.

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Hi Zip,, Met this girl at a club last night and have to say she is hot, although I didnt get to speak to long to her I just introduced myself and her the same, then I had to go so I gave her a hug and she held it for a while ;) my mate introduced me to her sort of lol and he said he'll give me her msn addy, but I want to know what would be the best way to turn this into a relationship? considering I'll be starting off using msn, your advice would be most welcomed lol I want to find out how to do it before I can actually do it :D

also I'm having trouble K-closing given difficult situations, what is the best way to do this in your opinion?

Totti;; 8)
Well, you consult some online game experts. JSmooth is the best here, IMO.

Look, you're going to introduce yourself on msn, be charming, don't IM her every time she signs on, don't be online all the time waiting for her, make it fun, make it short, you always be the one who stops the conversation before she gets bored with you, etc etc. You escalate the buying temperature by eventually getting her talking about sexual stuff, and having her think it's her idea.

K closing? Well, you wouldn't have difficulty, no matter what the situation, if you have properly
A- escalated the kino
B- built enough comfort in a sexual frame
C- gone in for the K close without apology, doubt, or care.

C is the most important. If you believe it, she'll believe it.

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Yes, she means this. Many girls, who are SICK of just being nice and accomodating AFC's will say this, and do this.

However, she's not really sure of what she means. You ask a girl what she wants... she'll say "six pack abs and a Colgate smile." Yet, you'll see this same girl with an "average" guy, ask her why she's with him, and she'll just say, "there's just something about him."

Same principle applies. Just because she says that, and believes it, does not mean that she'll only respond to a hot guy when she's fed up with the day. If a brilliant man comes in and breaks her routine... I'm talking about a fabulous PUA... she'll definitely respond... probably better than she would just a Colgate smile.
Cheers zip, so I take it this is a "I don't know what I want" kind of situation.

The accurrate interpretation of what she said is something along the lines of "if someone approaches me in a really unorigonal and boring way I'll tell him to fuck of, unless their is an aesthetic quality to him". Yes?

Also where do you draw the line between he's flirting with me but doesn't really want me, and he's flirting with me but isn't man enought to ask for my number?

Is it purely down to the number of IOI's you give out? I always felt like flirting (teasing playfully etc) was in itself an IOI.
What do you mean where do I draw the line? I'm just not sure what you're asking. I'll flirt if there is flirting because it's harmless. But only if I'm interested. If he chickens out on asking for my number, I'll either do it or let him crash and burn because he was being a pussy. If he's just flirting with me to flirt with me, I'll just flirt with him back because it's fun. Period. Then, goodbye. Move on.

Maybe it's not the number of IOI's I give out... more like the hits back at him, like, counter neg hits, shit tests, hoops, etc. If I know he's just flirting to flirt, I'll play hardball. If he's just pussying out, I'll either fix the situation or let him crash and burn on his own. Not fun.

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dearest zip,
If you were walking along minding your own buisness when a mutantly large komodo dragon jumps in front of you and tells you to help him with his algebra homework or else, would you:
a)seduce him
b)send your goon squad to attack in alpha formation
c)attempt at murder or
d)squat down to try to avoid being seen
and why did you choose your answer...

P.S-you cant help him with his algebra hw because when he jumped in the air he glomped you on the head and you got amnesia and forgot how
Let's see. I could

a.) give in to my early morning PMS instincts and call you out for being a weird ass waster of all of our time
b.) give in to my usual urge to always play along, no matter what the situation, topping the asker's creativity in answering
c.) ignore this
d.) mock you.
e.) make fun of you for trying to game a random girl that you don't know online, especially one who is here to help, then take it back because everyone's so defensive on being called out for it that they yell, and that's never a good situation... etc. etc. ad nauseam

I choose d. Why? Because as a former lizard owner, I am insulted by the allegation that lizards are poor at math.

Ignorant bastard. :)

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What do you mean where do I draw the line? I'm just not sure what you're asking.
You answered it fine :D


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Lol @ Hobbit.....yeah with all the material and information in here I'm sure it wouldn't be to hard =P


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I'm waiting for someone to take all the knowledge from this thread and pick you up with it Zip. What would you say to that person, reading the thread with those intentions.
Hobbit, u told her my secret plan!!! NOOOO :lol:
*cough* Zip,

I am currently playing around with a new situation for me :) Its really fun but i still dont quite know how to go about it. Its a HB9 with a BF! If u want more information its here i-normally-wouldnt-do-this-but-vt27414.html .

How you you suggest going about a girl with a BF she "doesnt know why she is" (quote from target).

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I'm waiting for someone to take all the knowledge from this thread and pick you up with it Zip. What would you say to that person, reading the thread with those intentions.
Seriously, I can smell if someone is gaming me online from a mile away... even if it's casual or just playing around or whatever. If there is an inch of truth to it, it reeks. It's a real turn off when someone comes to this place, where I'm discussing theories with friends, trying to help people, learning from you guys.... and tries to pervert it.

However, being picked up by a PUA in real life has been quite the pleasure. That's the thing that many guys don't understand... I know this stuff. I teach it. I enjoy being knocked out of my routine MORE than most girls because I have an appreciation not only for an entertaining interaction but for the art-form of PUA itself.

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