No, he said be a sick cunt & FUARRRRK! He also picked up women using them like a barbell.



More game than the community combined. he changed himself because yes, he wanted women but he had other ambitions.

I think Fudge is 007.

Legit. I was there. It happened right after Dtrak had just stolen my girl and her much hotter identical twin sister, for a bathroom threeway. And then sent pictures of it to my Mom. It sucked for me, but opened my eyes to the power of game. But I could never wield the Chalice of Awesomeness, so I instead choose to deny the magical power of game. Because of my deep shame from being defeated by the ultimate game masters.

I wonder, what would have happened if the FatGuyWithGame, had gone head to head with Zyzz for the same girl?

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I can't tell what is sarcasm and what is actual opinions. This is the internet. Text and what not. Things like voice tone aren't able to be used.

Don't hate Joe. Go to a swingers club and see if girls are willing to fuck you then and there. But you will need to get a girl to take you which probably drops your ability to get into the couples area down to 0 since all you know how to do is pull a woman back. Nothing about controlling the interaction or persuading a girl into doing something she wasn't already willing to do. And here is why. If you try to pour tea into a cup that's already full it will simply overflow. Some more Asian philosophy for you!...Where the fuck did I hear that from? I'll need to google that.

I'm going to stick to helping new guys, my building an attractive lifestyle thread, and when the time comes start updating my FRs again. Talking to you McDonalds PUAs about the higher levels of game seems to be in the same category as trying to help a sexodus guy learn how to pick up women.

007 thanks for keeping an open mind, you have earned my respect with the willingness to learn. Don't let these guys with their quest youtube videos and sarcasm get in the way of your progress. Go start on my workout program. If you can only do 1 assisted chinup off a chair and 1 girl push up start with that. Stay in the plank for 1 second. do 1 squat. Do 1 (123 heisman). Eventually you will work your way to 2 then 3 and so forth for the rest of your life (judging from my results you should triple what ever str level you have in just 2 months, but I'm sure you will see much faster results than that. People out of shape tend to progress faster than people already in shape) Go do something to burn calories for 30 minutes like a light jog. Or sit in a suana for 10 - 15 minutes. Manage your caloric intake vs your daily caloric burn to shed the weight. You will eventually get in shape and it's extremely easy to do. If you want to eat burgers and shit, make sure you do something like riding a bike to burn off the calories. It doesn't matter what you eat. Eating garbage just means you have to work harder. The real trick is to burn more than you put in. Don't starve yourself, if your body goes into starvation mode it actually begins to preserve calories and slows down your metabolism.

If you are looking to put on muscle mass in the process then it does matter what you eat. Carbs Proteins, and Good fats like a teaspoon of olive oil a day will do you fine. I eat a handful of pumpkin seeds and raisins every morning with a protein shake.

I gained 10 pounds of muscle in a month when I was rehabbing my body from the my bus accident, but that was going to the gym doing the MONSTER MASS work out program, and eating nothing bus blueberries, cottage cheese, raisins, pumpkin seeds a little olive oil, tons of water, and a protein shake. I have a nutriblend so I just blended all of those ingredients up into a bunch of nutriblast shakes and used a funnel to pour them into empty water bottles. Then I just drank, and drank, and drank. Tasted terrible...Worked.

If you decide to do this go easy on the pumpkin seeds, they will fuck up your stomach and give you runny shit all day...

Complete that framework and let me look at it. Or you can let these guys look over it, but they don't seem to have anything constructive to say about the charisma aspect of game so they would be poor references.

Have a good one my man.

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This is cringeworthy. Glad you are overcoming anxiety but this is just being a weirdo man. Go out to places where it makes sense to approach women before you try really advanced stuff like picking up a girl flanked by two guys during the day sitting at a restaurant trying to eat a meal.

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I did a bit of thinking and I feel like you maybe correct about spamming PU. It likely would be more beneficial to establish the characteristics that attract women. The qualities that attract a particular woman attract a lot of women. Not every woman likes the same guy but, guys who get laid tend to have the know how to pull even more. I think sort of like rsd Todd, I can at times be boring because, I do not do like JB or others who attempt to emotional spikes. I prefer like Warped mention, the universe brings us together. Interestingly, I noticed that successful PU is hypnotic. She feels it and I feel it. Girls were naturally attracted to Zyzz but, he worked very hard to create the Zyzz personal for being Zyzz.
Insert troll face here!

If you're saying that someone who looked exactly like Zyzz, but with a different personality, could have been much worse with women, I agree. But imagine that Zyzz's passion for fitness was a passion for Yugioh and he weighed 135lbs with %20 bodyfat.
Let's then leave everything else the same. He goes to music festivals, etc with his shirt off, still doing crazy shit, still getting drunk and high all the time.
How well do you think he does? Does he get nearly all of the same women? Women 2 points less attractive? 4 points? 4 points less, and %5 as much?

Now I don't think that looks are all that matter. Charisma is important. But then again, I'm sure we'd both agree that Zyzz probably spent zero time learning what to say. Because that part is way down on the scale of import.

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Zyzz is probably everything the PU community wishes to be and nobody quite measures up nor will they ever on this sort of level. Cult shit did not produce Zyzz. The transformation that came about is documented online. No doubt, he trolled quite a bit but, he also offered value with little gems of advice not to mention videos where he self amused and acted upon his life passions. If he were to lack the personality traits being an extreme extrovert and simply, he just looked as he did, he likely still would have got a fair bit of girls. It is only then amplified by the persona as well as the larger than life character that he is or was. I would learn more with him on a weekend at with him at a music fest than i would listening to mental masturbation from creepy and weird guys who want to logic women into bed putting myself out thousands in the process.

I recently started reading Anti Fragile, a book recently suggested in a video blog by a instructor. Here, they speak of that which is anti-fragile. THINK the human body; in particular, bones take particular stress through movement, gravity, and so on which causes it to strengthen. Too much stress will destroy a bone. Little stressors will strengthen it quite often. The concept is pointing to something that regardless of fate, no matter the risk, the outcome provides little or no consequences, minimal risk with significant room intrinsic growth. This accurately describes marriage for women who regardless of infidelity, lack of being a quality person offering value in any way shape or form has everything to gain and very little to lose. Women lack the sort of feedback and stressors man has all the time until it is in fact too late. They bitch and complain about men hitting on them and like the I posted about a woman hitting the wall and missing male gaze when it is too late. These same stressors that made YaBoydave and transcended Zyzz came from this same spot. It is what makes a man anti fragile. Few ever achieve even the slightest glimpse of that phenomenon.

Zyzz is one of a kind. The kind of women who wish to marry, never have the chance, settle for mr provider male who brings security yet is a bore. She raises Zyzz children as if they were the husbands but, this again is the lie that is monogamy. Even many of times, alpha males being beta in marriage which again as I stated prior pan handles to female victimizing. A woman today went on a rant about the value of marriage and her end point was not lost; it went back on the Federal government guaranteeing her monetary safety. Men have stressors and even Zyzz and YaboyDave mentioned these which transcended them into what we know of them today. Something I observe as I age and move on into middle age one day is that, man usually is at that level, and with time, he moves further and further away through being socially conditioned provider male.

I do feel like I am turning a new leaf. If you read my responses, you can pick out the ambivalence I feel and continue to express. I desire monogamy, marriage, a wife, and children. I take part in PU to be a man of action. I do believe the next level is to avoid spamming through PU the way one would do a job hunt flyer resumes to potential employer. There must likely be alternative ways to flip attraction switches which get the girl and turn her on. I also pointed to a man who went on about using nuclear weapons on a woman and her self esteem in order to get laid. This is what some women need. By denying her of that, I am always about to excuse myself as being the good guy. I like Tyler feel a significant amount of residual anger by becoming a red pill man, knowing that if I had not taken up this journey in PU, I would have not become aware of the dangers of being a beta male in search of love. I likely would have by now fallen prey to one of the above scenarios I have mentioned. Nobody here looks like Zyzz or is doing infield footage the way he did and simply did not give a fuck. Most of it were troll videos and him flexing but, seeing what he did left little to the imagination. It is not a stretch to figure he had no problem getting laid nor would it be for him to have a three some or orgy quite often.

Wait...how did Zyzz meet girls? Couldnt find any infield.... Also, how can you say Zyzz is rare, yet say that you could learn so much from him? I agree if what you're saying is get ripped and you'll get chicks easy. But that aside, unless you were in his shape, similar shape, what could he help you with? Maybe I'm missing something but I haven't seen anything of this guy pulling girls from anything besides his looks....

Not so sure I would say cringeworthy. He clearly does PU. It is not golden but, it beats forum trolling the way most frequent forums and never even approach. I thought his approach on the girl with her grandma was better. She was having none of it but, he did try.

There is an entire forever alone crew who thought lifting stuff would get them laid just due to low body fat. Men are now obsessing about body imagine, women are stuffing down big macs, doing toilet cocaine, and pursuing gang bangs. Men are then responding not with disgust but wedding rings for women like this or others who pimp their self out through sex tapes. Zyzz was never a PUA. He did not need a ineffective system. He flexed, trolled, and got laid. Yaboydave has stated he was once a forever alone crew member. He did not get girls. At some point, he transcended convention and beyond barriers.

No offense Neo but, you are again obsessed with looks again. If you know about rsd, you know they promote self amusement. PU pushes not pretending to have a life outside women but, to actually go out and create that lifestyle. Zyzz walked around not acting like he was better than women; he was better then women and they slept with him because of it. Yaboydave trolled women and it eventually back fired on him. He tapes women who are married... low level uneducated women who cheat on their husband or fiance to get pig roasted again playing into typical women in the world today.

Women liked how he looked. Hell, men such as yourself like how he looks but, you overlook what it is that he does. He simply has incredible frame control. He entertains and self amuses. He is not trying to impress or ranting on the forums about PUA theory or other mental masturbation. He just pulled. Yaboydave just revealed more of the disgusting reality of women, marriage, and shed light on most women.


https://www.google.de/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=xEv ... e+epic+win

This is an accurate indicator of what most women are like today and what most men are getting married or engaged too. All sorts of men are courting women in one way or another be it through directly paying for dates and impressing a woman or through PU obsession and gynocentrism.

The more I think about it, the more I think I may be seeing Joe's point.
If you're going to use someone as a role model, say RSDJeffy, AFC Adam, David DeAngelo, OR Zyzz - Zyzz would be your best bet.

That's actually true. I mean, if you want to get good with girls, who's better at it? Zyzz may have put 5 years into his body, BUT consider how highly effective that was. Compare that to 5 years of cold approach. Which would get you laid more?

In that sense, I agree with Joe. Zyzz basically did exactly what everyone should do, if they are willing to devote several years of their life to getting laid. Get in damn good shape, have fun, be cool, go for sex.

That is basically my own advice. I tend to prefer not having heroes, and not living your life chasing pussy. BUT if you were going to do it, the really hot frat boy route is just about the best possible way that is achievable for %95 of men under 30(and plenty of them over).

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I am beginning to see what you were saying about PU spamming like a unemployed man seeking work with his resume. I am preferring PU cold approach rather than online however, why would I remove all avenues to success if it can potentially provide a desirable outcome? Zyzz did not chase down women. He made an observation and that involved tranformation of himself to a better stronger version of himself and along with that came transcendence of barriers. Women followed the transformation because it is attractive. The path he took was attractive. He became a internet super star.
He did however cut corners, pretty much burning the boats, concur or perish. I am not sure if he actually did pass or if he is trolling as he was known to do so. In either event, the man lived, and what he did in videos took much less time than anybody in PU.
Me either. You did give me something else to think about. I notice my ego, my ambivalence when it comes to settling down but, it stems from fear. I do not want to be provider male and get pawned later in life. It actually is scary taking the blinders off, going from blue pill man, and taking the red pill only to become aware of the truth. My perception and judgment may happen to be clouded still, the feeling is very much so real. I think when I get to that place, I need to meditate more or do some savasana.
I think am a fair bit older than those in the thread not that it matters. I have noticed that over time, I went from looking really young to looking more manly. My cheek bones are more defined, my jawline looks wider with a bit of facial hair which I can now grow out, I have a good head of hair, I have developed muscle over the past three or four years. I definitely do not look like Zyzz. I have dedicated my time to a bunch of different things. I think being less anxious, more free spirited, and self amusing, I will likely improve more so with women.

Some people are fortunate. In terms of genetic predisposition, they have the looks, the height, the dick size, the charisma, and charm. Others seem like they have been giving the scraps. I am always compassionate when I see family members, lets say two brothers or sisters; one really attractive and the other who got the scraps. Eminem refers to a sister in a rap as the ugly Kardashian. Even cute or pretty women look unattractive to the next but, one is actually heavy and beast like. Both seem to enjoy bbc. lol

Joe, don't try to change the discussion. You hailed Zyzz and Dave guy who got women mainly due to their looks, and when I say they get women due to their looks you say I'm obsessed with looks. You're the one placing emphasis on looks here by using these guys as examples. And if I say OP should follow Zyzz and workout and all that you'll say I'm obsessing about looks.

Id say that OP or most guys with poor game should work out hard but im not going to apply Zyzz game to a guy that doesn't look like him or is not able to get basic physical attraction as he did off the bat. If you want to troll girls like Zyzz did and still get laid,make sure you look like him or close to him first. This is what makes many guys fail because they take advice from a guy like Zyzz or a good looking pua to just be themselves and show intent as if 90% of what gets them laid is their appearance. It would be like Drake telling you how to pick up girls when girls are coming to him mostly because he's Drake.

If someone wants to emulate Zyzz lifestyle, workout routine and style of game great. But let's not delude ourselves that if OP trolled like Zyzz or didn't give a fuck like he did his results would be better. If you're going to emulate someone make sure or get your lifestyle at least comparative to theirs. That includes that if a guys game is mostly off of his looks you need to get your looks in order. Am I saying looks are all that matters? No. But if you want to follow Zyzz accept that for HIS game looks are what mattered.

In fairness, if you transplanted Zyzz's personality into OP's body, I do think he'd be more successful. I would hope he's not so hideous that he creeps people out based solely on his looks. Based on how girls react, I believe OP is roughly "average" looking. Maybe a little above or below, but nothing noteworthy in either direction.

He seems to get okay, initial replies. It's usually around the second or third sentence where they start getting uncomfortable. That's a vibe, body language, and tonality issue.

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