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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:32 pm 
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Dear AFC Adam,

I just got back from sarging, and was doing quite well. A few numbers, major IOI's, no prob. But when I was about to leave the environment, I saw a 10HB walking in the opposite direction. I smile at her, and let her pass without saying a word. It was at that moment that I realized:

While I know how to engage 10s in groups, I have no idea how to game them when they are alone.

What is the best way to open, DHV, neg (etc) on a 10HB who is by herself?

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Hey-AdAm

I'm attractive, have great body language, and feel like most girls are usually attracted to me. For the most part I'm very good with women on a surface level. I've had oppurtunities where a very attractive girl has brought me into a room with a condom on the table and somehow or another what should have happened didn't. I got into the game about 3 years ago and I have developed a lot of good habits (I naturally kino, have good voice tonality and eye contact.) When I am with others I am usually commanding attention. Despite this I find myself alone for the majority of the day. At the end of a social interaction I usually just go back into my room, or do something alone. I've had sex on different occasions before but have never had a long term relationship.

Sometimes I feel socially handicapped - like someone who is autistic. Although sometimes I really do feel socially handicapped, I think my problems stem from a disconnect between who I project and who I know how to be. My evenings in high school used to consist of sitting alone at home playing computer games, or writing songs all day. I was overwieght and seeking the validation of my peers. Now, probably as a result of me getting in shape and having improved on my body language, women naturally think I'm attractive. In conversations were I feel I spark I'm also often cocky/funny/flirtatious. It all feels like a very fun game, and I love just knowing that women are attracted to me on some level.

The problem is that deep down, I'm still playing those computer games alone all day (not literally but figuratively.) I'm not used to having friends, and to be honest although I know just about everyone on my floor in a fun friendly way, I don't really have any. Even when I try to hang out with people, it almost always amounts to a few spikes in conversation (from something witty, or funny that I say) and then just sitting. Despite not having anything to do, I often still come across as "cool" because women or the many other people that I know will say "hi" to me - or because of my looks/body language/occasional witty comments.

I've tried forcing myself to do things that will help me to better meet others, like when I work out, or go to the college library to work on an assignment; and I've actually had success and gotten phone numbers and flirted quite a bit. Usually this only constitutes a single moment in a day where I am mostly alone. After a certain point, despite having the girl attracted to me, something doesn't work, presumably something to do with us being comfortable.

Any help/insight would be appreciated Adam.[/url]


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That's always the girl you say to yourself "she'll be main".i was in a after party 6 months ago.i saw her, Just my type blonde petite skinny 5'6, beach girl type. So I was not that I had experience with group dynamics (sets the boys and girls, remember to always through her male friends go to the set)and still kinda ruined from, the break up. Of course I gave up to my AA'it gone wildnow im using your 3 fingers fre openr that u mentioned in your diary,i got it thnx to Amanda),and What I did was go through the group to put the glass on the table and say hi and smiled (she smiled back im sure she whitten her teeth) by the way it's a good way to open the set so that when all attention was paid to you just need to start talking, I did not know it So.

If only I had the ability then, the hot female friends(I told each 1 of them about her, and they said that once they see her,they'll go straight to DHV me and how he will conect us), the social understanding, the club connections,if only i had game!!!. I was with a lot of girls went through all sorts of retarded things so i may reach the day I'll meet her again and I will have no problem? Maybe the universe works mysterious way?. i cant wait to the universe . Why do I mention it? I received a call from one of my FC that we are now good friends I met through a club that i used to work for,pole dancer. And she called me and told me to come to Morro club that she works for. So I told her that I cant cus I'm pretty tired from work. right now I am browsing some of the party pics and what I see, the beautiful blonde. I was so mad. I could arrange another five girls to go with them to the club, my cousin he is a promoter so he cpuld SP me,i could work the room ,I have another SP and perhaps were from people i already know. I'd send my girls to DHV me , I could be assisted by Jeremy Simber that he's PUA in his own right, I could dance with the dancers, who have a high value because they are pole dancers on the bar, and they make me show PRE SELECTED. I could do 1000 things only if I have left my house.

And now I'm at home I'm upset "why i did not go out" all the HB's I met last month means nothing to me, and I know I'm wasting my time and want this girls l. So it's time to play dirty SP TREP .my birthday is coming I will arrange through my cousin and contect her through friends. so she will come and see me with 10-15 girls and they all know who sh is. with good friends and say to her so that im such a great guy. If not i'll go to Morro blub I do 100 calls just to get to with a huge group.

Adam me and u we kinda have the same story/my GF dumped me after 4 years i got fired from being a bar manager in a big club.i found my car smashed by some AH.all of that in one weekend.and went out from a zero to a hero and understanding the priciples of attrection(the halo effect is just the beginning).and i want a happy end too
how can i get this girl beside my plan cus it's a major investment.


*btw u got my vote i got the email*



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Hi, Adam! Thank you very very much for your previous reply.

Just 2 short questions:

1. When you try to establish comfort and the girl gives you immediate IOIs before you break rapport, how does the seduction process work?
Breaking rapport isn' necessary, is it?

2. Suppose that a girl thinks you are a bit needy: is it possible to change her mind?
Consider that I am a bit stupid :) because I think that every little interest I show makes me a needy, and, instead, sometimes, being kind is OK.


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Hey guys! it's vibe here.

I'm posting this post under a different name because i forgot the password and the eMail for my real user name (TrueVibe). well anyway, i wanna get to the point asap so here it goes:

My business has been very generous to me lately and therefore i decided to take a 1 on 1 workshop with a top master PUA or maybe 2 of them, who will teach me the art of the Natural game. Originally after searching for a teacher and reading review on the internet i wanted to fly to the US and pay mystery $50,000 for a 1 on 1 workshop, because i read that he is the best by many people. After checking out some of his stuff and videos i kinda felt that his ways are a little too "robotic" for a spontaneous dude like myself and i decided to find the best Natural game teachers. Long story short, after reading good reviews about Adam and Richard, i decided to book a 1 on 1 with both of them, and then never to take a single PUA bootcamp again! so i called my secretary and i was ready to do it but, then iv'e stumbled on this review:
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Hello

For those who read my posts you'll know that I had dealings with Adam Lyons and that he admitted to various counts that PUA is a SCAM, 98% of PUA instructors (including those at PUA Training) don't get laid and that the true reason he had "success" was the fact he was already popular with women before he got into Game-because of his high paying Job in Public Relations in London- and that all of the girls he laid (all 30 of them- yep just 30) were because he was friends with them prior to Game.

He even mentioned that his method of Cold Approaching women during Daygame onto successfully inviting her out to a Nightclub later (even as a "friend") was a hoax.
I knew the above point to be true as he always mentioned in his seminars that "numbers closes aren't anything" and that the chances of a woman following you up later are next to none (which has been reported widely across the board on PUA Hate AND even PUA Companies own forums).

Some other pointers I'll put in my review

1) I saw Adam Lyons get turned down infield by 3 women in a row. One a genuine HB9, one a HB8 and one a HB5!
When I got 4 sets and numbered closed them all.

2) Adam admitted he was an "un-official" club promoter. He claims he had a Database of 3000 willing women.
However in the "party photos" I've seen on Flickr- Google "Project Entourage" in Images and you'll see its the same 10 girls over and over.
He also said that he doesn't lay that many girls for those who did bother turning up.
I made the mistake of exposing projectentourage which has since been taken down- as it was proof that "Social Circle" was everything.

3) I caught Adam Lyons plagerising Neil Strauss, Mystery Method- with him quoting things off of their websites and passing them off as his own.

4) During a Nightclub visit only two girls from his "Entourage" turned up (so much for the "ten girls only" claim) and they are the only ones that feature in his promotional literature.
In my view both were under 5 foot 5- both HB6 and HB6.5.
Obviously they were trying to take me down a peg or two by saying I "wasn't good looking" or "I was hitting on them" which was bullshit- they just didn't want to have a conversation like normal people because they were trying to "big up" Adam as the only man they'd talk to.
I left them to it and......

5)...I was then approached by 5 seperate Club goers in the same Nightclub where Adam supposedly had "Social Proof" to point out that Adam is a known charlatan that invites relatively good looking- but girls with low "Social Economic" Value into Exclusive Clubs.
Adam himself only got into the club because he made the requisite minimum of $73,000- $90,000 (£50,000-£60,000 GBP) per year as a PR man- but even more as a PUA.
Most girls in the club don't like him due to his known PUA reputation as "sleazy" who'll shag anything.

6) Although the above should've been enough, I did some background research into "Social Economics" what it was etc.
Brad Ps "Club CD" is good "theory" on the subject.
When I qustioned Adam Lyons about our previous encounter- he cracked and admitted that Entourage Game- was merely having social skills and understanding that the majority of "normal guys" have.
He admitted that a) fancy nightclub invites were good for attracting the girls- even though he didn't sleep with the vast majority of them
b) his job in Public Relations did indeed mean he had higher "Career Networking Value" and this "helping" girls often lead to sex. Because women do fuck guys for Networking Value.

7) I met his girlfriend/wife Amanda Torres during the above. In three words how would I describe her?
Icy- Materialistic-Emotionless
She came across as very "stepford wives" despite me saying a friendly hello and trying to build a normal conversation (again like all Adam's girls- she wasn't very co-operative- nor responsive- nor interested in adding anything to the teachings0. I found her rude so I rightfully ignored her for the rest of training0 trying on occassion to get her to chip in her "extensive PUA knowledge as a world class female trainer".
After I handed my Money to Adam (cash in hand) I went to the toilet- as I came back she was leaving with my money (I saw Adam hand it to her). I asked where she had gone Adam said "Shopping".
Wow, you go girl! What a way to prove you are a credit to all women. You go shopping halfway during a Bootcamp! Adam said "she felt you only wanted to speak to me" WTF!
I'd been encouraging her to chip in- but she gave one worded answers and looked bored- as well as lying about her profession. When I asked what she wanted to be in High School (I knew she was planning to be a Cheerleader) she said "Writer".

Anyways after the bootcamp ended she didn't even say goodbye-and said "I'm going to spend the rest on a brand new IPOD." before fucking off the Oxford Streets Apple Store, not even saying thank you or good luck.


Adam's junior trainer. When I talked about what we (Adam and myself) had discussed "Networking Value" and "Entourage*" (*read- normal Social Skills) I made the observation.

"You know Neil Strauss. He had a lot of powerful connections/networking value within the music industry. In fact come to think of it people were suprised he pulled Lisa Leveridge (HB8)- when in fact she was in a shitty band and probably needed a big break. So come to think of it he didn't need Game. Also Lisa Leveridge's next boyfriend was Robbie Williams (mega UK popstar and former member of Take That) so she was continuing with the "music networking" boyfriends"
(as another point Neil Strauss' current girlfriend is a pornstar. Whats the connection? Answer- he wrote "How to Make Love like a pornstar" with Jemma Jameson. Again powerful connections in the porn industry!)

"so my question to you (Jenk). Is that we don't need Game at all do we? Its all about Social Career/networking Value"

Jenk "Yep. Neil Strauss already had the connections. He didn't know his own worth or how to apply them. Thats where Mystery came in"
(sic)

Me- "So whats your Networking Value Jenk?"
Jenk "Adam Lyons"

Says it all really doesn't it?

I know what you might think: "yeah well, these guys are just lifeless haters" and you might be right BUT, i'v read many outstanding reviews about Richard and Adam and well, this review kinda matched all the positive ones with negativity. now i'm kind of "on hold". i don't know who to believe, yet. i'm writing this post because i just want to know the real facts. i assume that many PUA instructors in the word, ARE actually the real deal but, i also by nature always want to learn the best system (or at least one of the best). i want to know honest opinions from people who "been there and done that". because on one hand the reviews say that A' n' R' are super duper outstanding world leading PUA instructors and, on the other hand this dude's review portrays Adam as a douche hehe...

Tell me what you guys think!

P.S
I would really love to get a response from Adam on this one
P.P.S
I would really love to get Gambler say what he thinks as well!
P.P.P.S
I know one really cool chick who went to the bootcamp, Stephanie. she really liked it and says she learned a lot. though she was already an Adam junkie
P.P.P.P.S
no dirt on gambler except one guy calling him a businessman who sucks with women but, i honestly want to know what this is all about!

May you all have the best of the best,
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Before everyone will argue, I have to say that I know the style of the quote.

A little explanation: This is something called "personal argue" or so, this happen during the conversation when you have lack of arguments so you simply attack the opponent itself, not his ideas.

For example, a convo like:
A: Smoking is bad for your health
B: And these are words from a man that smokes 20 cigarettes per day

See? This is attacking the person, not the argument.

So, I read this post and I did not find the moment when you (whoever) argue with his METHOD, that person only tackle Adam as a man, not his method. Anything that is mentioned above really proves that his stuff soesn't work?

Salut!
Surielx.

P.S. And I must confess, I do not really know anything about his method, I am finishing DiCarlo's now and then I will turn to another PUAs.

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Hey Adam, I was wondering. Is it ok to open a girl in the street with "hey, how are you doing today?"

Would that be the wrong way to go, because I read somewhere that girls wonder why someone would talk to them, and that seems like a weird opener if that's the case. Maybe I'm answering my own question. So yea, is it ok to open a girl with a "hey, what's up?" or "hey, how's it going?" etc.?

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hey adam
thanks for answering me about the lookin younger thing i took it into concideration

one last question really, everything else i know from infield as well as your old tapes and all that stuff.

what is the best way to introduce my friend into game? i just went to college and me and my best friend who i had transformed in about 2 years to a really good pick up artist had to part cause i moved. i met a guy here that hangs with me alot and wants to meet girls. he is friendly, smiles good naturally but is a little bit of a tool and thinks compliments are a good opener

should i tell him "hey man i know a decent amount bout girls here is my advice" or should i say "hey look at these websites and ect ect"

not sure how to approach this


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Hey Adam,

Love your material!
I have a few questions about your socialproof/pre-opening thing.
You mention to pre-open alot of people in the venue with 30sec sets. Do you do this by (pre)opening the sets that are standing next to each other, or opening a set in one side in the venue and then another one at the other side of the venue? Also, when you do alot of these 30 sec. sets, doesn't it get obvious to people that you don't know anyone and just you're trying to talk to everybody?

Hope you can help me with these questions.


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Hey Adam,

First thanks for this great help for people :)
And about my "needed advice", my goal is not to approach many girls, it's not to sleep with a lot of women, my goal is to become an alpha male. Now this isn't easy, one of my good friends is a natural - one of the best anyone will see. Even when I am AM of our group, when he comes it changes, he has what gambler called a movie star effect once somebody see him everybody will go to him and say hello, only for him. His social circle is huge(about 500 people atleast), and everybody that knows him just love him. I'm a confident guy, but I need some heavy tools to beat this guy.
By the way I've looked in any source I could find to have some more tools to overcome him, nothing worked and it's always saying the same things, eye contact, body language, control the talk topic etc. I need some bigger guns for this fight :)
Thanks, Lalu.


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Hey Adam,

You gave advice on college game earlier, saying to throw parties, run for office in the student body, etc. All of that is great advice, but I was wondering, in order to be a cool, popular, high status guy would the personality traits to develop be the same as those you must develop to build attraction with women (i.e. confidence, leadership, pre-selection, ambition, excellence, social intelligence).


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Dear Adam, I really like your attraction formula. I know a lot of things about it: everything, but the exceptions.
There are cases in which we can bypass some passages; others, in which we should start the interaction from a phase different than comfort.

I am going to ask you some really simple questions: one word for every answer is enough! So, don't be afraid!

What is the best phase to begin the interaction with in every of the following cases?

1) You are on a train (however the location is not important) and a girl frequently looks at you in a manner that communicates she finds you sexy. But it seems she is a little shy. How you can see, in this situation the girl gives a lot of IOIs before the approach!

2) You are in a night club and a girl looks at you in a really sexual manner. She is not shy and she surely wants to communicate that she wants you.

3) In a social context a girl approaches you and is immediately committed to the interaction, but not because she likes you: she is simply a fun sociable girl.

4) You are at work. A girl who has a boyfriend and who is a new workmate for you, immediately has an intense eye contact with you: probably she won't break the relationship with her boyfriend, but she surely is naturally and strongly attracted. She is a bit shy.

5) (My favourite) A girl has huge bitch shields: even if you only try to be friendly and genuine (comfort), she thinks you are hitting on her. And you can't increase your social proof, because you and her are alone.
-Adam, you say that starting with a neg is stupid, but... what should I do in these cases?

In the following, last, question, I would like to know if breaking rapport and qualification are necessary:

6) You approach a girl in the daytime by using an indirect approach. You immediately try to establish comfort, but, before you break rapport, she already gives you IOIs (a similar case is the one you show on your website).

Thank you very much.

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Mr. Lyons,

I would like to give you a hearty thank you for all of the materials you have put together to help guys like me improve with women!

So basically, if I am not mistaken, in your system the goal is to get the girl to seek your approval? This creates investment (necessary for any relationship) and accrued social status the more she seeks your approval, the more your own status goes up in her mind? (All of this of course coupled with initial value of preselection/social proof/fun personality)?

I went for a friend last year and it failed and caused some drama. I haven't talk to her a ton the last month just to distance myself on purpose, but we are still in the same circle and still considered friends and hang out on occasion. Would the best way to game her is to create a extreme unreal amount of preselection and invite her to those situations, gaming her from there? I am curious if this is best approach. She is easily offended and terribly insecure, but likes to flirt with guys a lot even when she doesn't know it and likes attention from them, probably because of insecurity. She talks to the guys she can get attention from. She is pretty attractive. So breaking rapport very hard to do without her thinking im a jerk, because of her insecurity. I am not too worried about failure but I just want to see if I can succeed in time.

Your time spent in consideration of these issues is very appreciated.

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Hey Adam!

So I am doing very well with women, but have an almost scary consistency in the reactions I get, women I meet use basically the same expressions:

1. I feel like a teenager again (three 25+ girls in a row used exactly these words, spooky)
2. You are so beautiful (On our way to bed)
3. You are amazing (When cuddling after sex)

Sounds good right, but where is the Umpf? Fuck, I want them to say it was hot like hell, damn you are sexy, you make me so horny etc. Beautiful? Eh, well, thanks, sort of.

How do I bring out the animal in my women? I have amped up my dominance moves, but since I mostly connect with them emotionally too, it never really gets dangerous. Also, what often turns the key in my game is the point when they feel I really "get them", so I don't want to stop that entirely. I tease a lot and am sort of on my way to leave them most of the time. Should I break comfort even harder, pretend to get Really pissed?

Whats strange is that these same women also seem to think I am a too-good-to-be-true player, "Are you a bit of a lad", "I bet you have a lot of girls" etc. Could be that I am extremely social that triggers this.

Most grateful for any suggestions. Bring on the darkness!

Cheers!

CG


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hey afc adam,

I am afc boobies,

And what an honour!

I havent been with a girl yet, im 25 and i want to change my life

and how did you get to be the best at getting women. your my hero and you look
ike a really nice and cool guy, always happy.

If i go and talk to women 3 hours a day for daygame and then go to the clubs all night and talk to 20 girls will i get as good as you in 1 years time.

Also it would be nice to hang with you if you come to australia, your my favourite!

Thank you and stay classy afc adam

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