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Nice thread man and kudos to you! You're absolutely right about what Chris Rock said, "Don't wanna the old guy in the club..." it's fucking true! We as human beings are meant to be in marriage, families and etc.. I mean, look at the cave man days - the cave guy didn't bonk just anyone woman in the head then dragged them to his cave and fucked them to get pregnant. Hell, this kinda reminds me of The Hills Has Eyes 2. Anyways, millions if not billions of people are married today and have families!

I know how personally I'll get pissed if there was a omwan that I was interested in blew some guy in a bathroom at a club. We are all humans who need to have companionship, commitment, and TRUE love! Everyone wakes up and wonders, "When will I find that special someone!" I bet sometimes maybe a MPUA looks in the mirror and is fully satified with himself. No, pun intended - You know what I mean and I hope that everyone can look deep down inside themselves and say, "Yeah, I would agree with that!"

Think of this way, a fucking billionare could throw alot of money way and spend on whatever he wants - but does it really make thim that happy, I mean satified that he has 999 billion of dollars in his Bank Account? Probably not! There's too much to do besides playing women , or spending money, or whatever! Look at these actors, porn stars, super models are they Fully Happy with themselves? Probably not! There's something in everyone of us that lacks something - yet sometimes fame, power, status doesn't really fulfill it!

I mean, hell - wanna know shitty life! I have fetal Alcohol Spetrum Disorder which is caused from a woman drinkning during pregnacy. I'm in a process of going to seminars, conferences, just got done with a documentary warning woman of causes due to drinking during pregancy. I'm not going too much in detail but I do plan on writing a book about the struggles I had with FASD - I currently live in a agency that helps with Depression because long time ago I wasn't really using my head and got rejected alot.

Anyhow, people on this forum are a big family - I stated it in my previous posts along time ago! Personally, I'm sure many people can agree with me on this one - the reasons why some people wanted to become a PUA is to become better with women, to know what they're like and to understand them more, so later on they won't get broken hearted or like you said struggle with divorce! Divorce in the united states are fucking huge! I know this is long but hey I really loved your thread man!

Yeah, some people like to show off to other non-believers that it's possible to hook up with chicks - but like you said or maybe I just interpret it my way of saying (we're all meant to find the true love in our lives). It's alright to have sex with some hot chick - but however, we're all humans! Women are humans, yeah pussy's great and all but if you have someone throwing themselves at you to love and be there for you like (mother tiger) then that's a fucking devoted, commited relationship! Women, probably think and probably still do after a one night stand, "When in the hell am I gonna find Mr. Right!" Because they too want someone that they can feel loved back - not just "oh, yah fuck me harder baby!" kinda thing! Even the Slutty ones want to find true love but they're kinda fucked up in their lives right now that they're so confused and don't know what they really want - possibly due to their early child hood traumas.

There has to be a balance in life that will bring Order from Chaos. This was the most important quote that I read in a Wicca Book.

I'm fucking starving and can't really concentrate that much but however, I really like what you had to say and I hope people that don't have their heads up their ass will listen to this guy - because YOU THE MAN! :)

Kudos man!
Your post kinda rambles, but point well made! You have a maturity that does not fit most of what you see on this board. Mostly the board is a bunch of little horny boys who have no clue. Nice to see someone offer up a different point of view. Surprised they kept your post up!

Sorry guys, but most "PUA" followers are just too damn horny. Life is more than just sex with HPV infected women. I was blasted by a self-proclaimed "PUA" because I said that I focus on virgins. That wasn't PUA enough for him. He pushes sex for the sake of sex. Good for him, but many of us are more mature than that.

Remember, there is no such thing as a "relationship expert". My God, you can call yourself anything you want. Try it. Print up some business cards, create a website, write an article that never gets published, and bingo! You are an expert.


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Wow, after reading the entire thread I gotta say I'm seeing a lot of Love here. Sean, Johnny, Rye Lee, I like what I've read.

Here's my two cents even if devalued by inflation: "The Game" is what it is. Like life, it's what you make of it. I think it was Sysonpyh who said, "I don't teach about relationships, I just try to teach how to start one." It's up to those who play the game to figure out what their goal is. It's best to have one when you start, but it will probably change over time.

To get a little metaphorical in my understanding; "The Game" is a drug, and for too many they think sex is the high, when it's just a pleasant side effect. It's supposed to be the cure for the thing that lured you here in the first place ... loneliness, not just another addiction.

(Now, I fear that metaphor will be rehashed, redefined, etc.) :?


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Fin, I'll address both of your statements, starting with Style. Style is currently single, and I know this because a friend of mine actually met him a few weeks ago when Style was traveling to New York.

Now to your comment about "common misconception". Its not a common misconception, its a common mentality that many people who are in the community possess. Because, they don't know how to balance being alpha and being a caring person. I will agree to the extent that there are guys who know the difference, but most new guys don't. Because of the precepts they are taught, they don't understand what it means to be a confident man.

In my opinion the real misconception here is that of being a "alpha male". It takes certain innate qualities to be a true alpha male. All of the AMOGing and "alpha" techinques aren't the qualities. They are the things true alphas do naturally that anyone can immulate. The major goal is to be a confident comfortable person, rather than a "alpha male". The two are mutually exclusive.

An example of a true alpha male is leadership. Being able to effectively lead people is a quality that you are born with, not something you can just learn. There are ways to immulate this trait, but to be a leader it must be innate.
1. Socially, you don't get natural alpha's. Your taught how to act in society, whether you grow up to act with an alpha mindset is entirely up to how you were raised, and what you were TAUGHT. And we lare developing cognitively, socially and emotionally, all the time. Even the naturals had to learn how to interact with society.


2. Style's single, eh? Fair enough, although their are many PUA's in LTR I am one of them, granted it's with 3 different girls and they are "Open" relationships. But I know them deep down, they aren't statistics or robots that are being manipulated, I've evolved, women aren't a "game", they're humans. Many of the succesful PUA's on this forum think that way.

3. Wha? A while ago everyone was, "aww man monogamy is for losers who wants an LTR they are relationships created by a modern society so entrap men!!!"

Now it's all "man no stings attatched sex is for immature kids who watch to many reality dating shows!!!"

Balance, anyone... No..... have we forgotten about it?

4. Thier is no perfect relationship or effecient relationship, however you kid yourself, their is NO set way for running the show.

Sleep with every girl in town if it makes you happy... Or settle down with a beautiful wife.... I honestly couldn't give a fuck, this is about you and the people around you NOTHING... FUCKING... ELSE! Truth, Lie, reality, bullshit doesn't come into this.

5. Anyway back to Jsqred you talked about balance between compassion and alphaness.

That's the misconception, like they are seperate...


Situation "Plane crash on a desert island"

(B)Alpha male: "man I gotta get through life and survive it's about me!! I'm top dog people should respect that" *goes and collects water and food and announces to group that he is going to lead everyone and they should do what he says*


Alpha male: "Oh shit, hang on am I ok? Yeah. Thiers alot of smoke around, FUCK, ALICIA, she's got a weak lung..." *pullls her from reckage and begins helping others, at one point taking a water bottle he bought at the beginning of the flight and handing it to a man who is coughing and spluttering thanks to the smog*


Being considerate, and looking out for and taking care of others, is pretty much the embodyment of "Alpha".

6. Someone above (I think it was stealth) made a refrence to cavemen, I'm not sure at what point you meant but....

Back when the alpha male was a lone muscular brute, most male-female sexual interactions would be more akin to rape than anything else. Luckily times have changed.


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Ahh finished reading the entire thread.
I apologize Sean. I'm young and immature. :P
Should've taken a better look at the whole thing before I even posted.

This thread is full of so many topics.
Being alpha, dealing with LTRs, love, etc.

The community isn't just for one goal. Everyone has different goals, and this place helps ACHIEVE them.

It's not particularly for becoming a man whore who loves 'one-night stands', or an old school guy who prefers long-term relationships.

Everyone has different goals. But we all receive ONE thing from this place. We receive a reality check that lets us understand more psychology of "why people do things" and also GIVES US CONFIDENCE.

Those two things combined will make us successful in socializing.

The community is full of people in relationships like you Sean.
There are the players and then the lovers.
The universal theme is male-female interaction.
It's what we're here for.

The Game is not a lie. It's merely one person's view of the community. It's one opinion. One experience.
You took the community to different means and use it for long term relationships.

The game is just to help us achieve our goals.
Although some goals won't give us ultimate happiness, we still have direction and something to work for.

It's all a matter of knowing that everyone has different goals.

<3 Grape

p.s. I again apologize for insulting you in my previous post. Yell at me if you like. I deserve it.

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Fin, you didn't get the point I was making about compassion and being alpha. A real alpha who loves women will have a perfect balance between compassion and themselves. However, many new guys who use the concepts of being an alpha they are taught lose track of compassion and go over board. Everything I've said isn't a complete characterization of everyone, they are observations of certain side-effects to "The Game" that can and do occur.


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Fin, you didn't get the point I was making about compassion and being alpha. A real alpha who loves women will have a perfect balance between compassion and themselves. However, many new guys who use the concepts of being an alpha they are taught lose track of compassion and go over board. Everything I've said isn't a complete characterization of everyone, they are observations of certain side-effects to "The Game" that can and do occur.
"balance being alpha and a caring person"

Thats a statement indicating that they are separate identities. Not that they are part of the same thing.

Many guys think that compassion/care for others is NOT in the alpha mentality, that's the scary thing.

So with your above posts aI agree with the sentiments, but not exactly....
If that makes you feel better? :D :roll: :P


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What I hear in this is that so much of old-school pickup teaches you specifically to NOT empathize with people, or to only use your sense of another person's emotions to help you get what you want, presuming it will be good for them as well.

How many field reports have you read where the guy says, "then I realized she was really drunk, and her friends were concerned about her, so rather than do anything it took to isolate her from her friends and bang her, I gave her a hug and told her friends to take good care of her."

Compassion is knowing what you can do to show others Love, for real, by understanding things from their perspective. And it is the most alpha of traits... the truly strongest man is not the one who fights to make things right, but the one who doesn't even need to fight.

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How many field reports have you read where the guy says, "then I realized she was really drunk, and her friends were concerned about her, so rather than do anything it took to isolate her from her friends and bang her, I gave her a hug and told her friends to take good care of her."
Your point is well taken. I can't speak for everyone in pickup, but I couldn't continue to associate with anyone who took advantage in such a situation. I love women. I see this as the "you have to be willing to lose them to win them," kinda problem. You can't violate their trust and expect it to help your game. It reinforces a bad mindset, and makes you socially undesirable to those who know what happened.

Is it old school seduction? I don't know. I think many guys go through a phase where they hate women, because of the power women appeared to have over them. In the past that mindset does seem to have been exemplified by some of the founders of the seduction community. I like to think the community has evolved past that in favor of simply being better with and to women. It will undoubtedly be a phase that some men will still go through, but when we recognize it on others we can help them realize it for the unproductive mindset it is.

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Is it old school seduction? I don't know. I think many guys go through a phase where they hate women, because of the power women appeared to have over them. In the past that mindset does seem to have been exemplified by some of the founders of the seduction community. I like to think the community has evolved past that in favor of simply being better with and to women. It will undoubtedly be a phase that some men will still go through, but when we recognize it on others we can help them realize it for the unproductive mindset it is.
I'd like to think it's not, but how many PUAs out there practice, and preach, going out to bars and clubs late at night and working VIP sections (the sections where they sell by the bottle so dudes can offer hot girls as much to drink as they want), and all without having anything to drink themselves?

In my world, if you're at a club, and you're not drinking, and not dancing, you are suspect. Trust me, as a former bouncer, the one guy I look out for most in a club is the one who's not drinking anything (unless he's the designated driver). That's the guy with an agenda, and the guy most likely to drug some girl's drink.

The first time I meet a PUA who turns a girl down because she's too drunk will be the first, and that's a damn shame. If it's only about sex at any cost, why bother? Why not save money and jerk off at home?

This all MUST be about becoming better men. It's the only thing that makes sense. So let's stop pretending, and just go for it, eh?

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um the game never claims that fucking a bunch of girls is the way of life. mAtter of fact neil strauss even says that his gf gave him more satisfaction. and it shows how mystery had a breakdown cause he thought his life was pointless. so dont be on ur mighty horse sayin u love some girl. or want to love a girl. and put down the game and mystery.


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um the game never claims that fucking a bunch of girls is the way of life. mAtter of fact neil strauss even says that his gf gave him more satisfaction. and it shows how mystery had a breakdown cause he thought his life was pointless. so dont be on ur mighty horse sayin u love some girl. or want to love a girl. and put down the game and mystery.
Right...so do as they say and not as they do? They speak of so many lofty ideals like "leaving her better than you found her", yet I know a lot of people that have hung out with those guys and that isn't how they actually act. I also know Sean and have hung out with him several times; he DOES live by the ideals he speaks of and the moment he says something that he doesn't actually hold himself to, I'll comment on it because he's here to improve himself as much as he is to help other men improve themselves and he'll appreciate it (even if he doesn't, I'll still do it cause that's one of my ideals! :P ).

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I guess it really does matter HOW you enter the game. I've always thought of it as a community of men trying to improve and evolve themselves, and assist each other in doing so as well. There are always the lurkers, trolls, and haters in any group, but I always thought of the seduction community as having a greater goal than the next score.

I reject your reality and substitute my own ... LOL!

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I guess it really does matter HOW you enter the game. I've always thought of it as a community of men trying to improve and evolve themselves, and assist each other in doing so as well. There are always the lurkers, trolls, and haters in any group, but I always thought of the seduction community as having a greater goal than the next score.

I reject your reality and substitute my own ... LOL!
Then you're going about it the best way. Unfortunately there are TONS of guys that just enter it in order to get laid and that's what this topic is about. Guys that just think it's about getting laid as much as you can and that in and of itself will make you happy. Trust me they're out there, I've had them approach me for coaching and I've told them I don't teach that stuff if I can't pursuade them that they're going about things wrong.

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ok ok everyone has been jumping on my case and i don't budge from no ones opinion if i feel im right however i have read this over again ( yea u can thank Johnny Soporno for negative on my rep) lol and no i'm not spiteful to put a negative back on ur rep but anyway i was reading seans over again and what he was saying did make sense to a degree...\

maybe the first time i read it i was tired but i actually broke everything down and what he was saying it was great actually... so major props i guess in some point of ur lives you'll have an epiphany like this discussion

but yea i do owe sean an apology for the comment i left before this one for i jumped the gun before intellectualizing what he was saying.

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PUA isn't about "i just want to fuck bitches because im so lonely" alot of people get into it because of this very reason but as we progress in our path of learning aspects of Pick up we discover that we can shake reality to its very core and rebuild this reality the way we make it. Realizing that your money, looks, current situation is very rarely affecting your outcome with women its enough to alter your mind in many ways. Realizing that you can tap into this wealth of inner power is the most liberating and exhilarating experience. Its amazing to see people go from depressed train wrecks to 10 foot tall bullproof confident pick up machines with enough PUA content under your belt. Its a very addictive lifestyle, but in the end you will be a much more well-rounded individual. I think the game is a great entry level "heres our lifestyle, and this is why we do it" book but you can't just read the game and say you're complete. To become a real PUA you need a wealth of information or else you are just looking it from 1 dimension.

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