i understand what you are trying to do cupid_007, i love the enthusiasm and i totally respect that you are going out and doing this but if you are trying to "get laid or die trying" but you need some live coaching. and you totally need to ditch the mystery method bull because it doesn't work as well as natural game.

if you are going out and gaming for months filming all of these approaches i would have seen some improvement and i haven't. not saying you cant do this but if you are willing to do whatever it takes to get laid or to become an mpua you should definitely follow all of their paths and start with some live training. every mpua has started out with live training with the admins of this site or something (not sinn)

and 1000 sets in a year isnt much considering when i go out i do 25-50 just to warm up.

keep up your enthusiasm and keep gaming.

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Well, that obviously went well. Good thing that process is getting you dates. Definitely keep focusing on process.
Don't learn to read body language
Don't fix your physical condition
Don't fix your vibe
Don't fix your deadpan voice
Don't fix your fashion


Just focus on saying the right words.

BTW, for a contrast here is how Sinn delivers the"Horse girl opener".

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Woke up and missed the sarcasm so when I say the approach video I was like "what is V talking about?!"

Did you really quit school to learn Pu?

Wow. He quit school. Not really, no. Do basic study, shoot for a low A. Occasionally, you'll come up short and end up with Bs. But a perfect mix of As and Bs is still a 3.5, which is pretty good.
And your GPA is not all that important. You land jobs through networking. Your GPA just needs to be acceptable. Playing the resume spamming game is the worst way to get a job.

You should go to a four year state university. One of the great things about university(at a 4 year, not some little CC). There are 3 girls for every 2 guys. Even being average, you should be able to get cute girls. All you need to do is have some friends, and go to parties.
So you need to quit school, so you can do TWO approaches per day? Do you understand how many women you can meet in ONE college party?
We're telling you, but you're not listening.

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You do need to fix the words. Don't get deterred from fixing that stuff.

That being said. I saw a look at your closet when you showed me the video about the camera. The closet wasn't...bad. More like it doesn't get in the way. Versalis have you seen his closet before you made that statement?

Now, I did see your fingers. They look a bit sausage like which makes me think you probably do need a workout program. Most guys go for the gym thing. I'm a marine, I don't use the gym to stay in shape. I created a light program designed with the concept in mind of a slight whole body gain over a lifetime without the injuries you face going to hard in a gym.

where-to-get-started-vt186948.html You have to add chinups to the mix. I discovered this after doing research on the affects of pushups. When I noticed my triceps shoulders and chest becoming larger than my biceps. Pushups are actually better for you than the bench press believe it or not for many reason. It's a focus on healthy non injury producing techniques.

This will allow you to slowly build strength over time without injuring yourself. I don't know how good it is at burning calories because I was already slightly in shape before I started it. You should add a 30 minute jog in there or a power walk or sitting in a sauna or something to burn off the fat. Sitting in a sauna would be the easiest thing. Plus it's great for your skin and it kills any germs in your system by inducing fever like conditions in your body. This is easy and can be done for the rest of your life always slightly pushing the limits for a continued strength increase and it's extremely fast. I added the chinups late so I do 2 chinups for every 10 of the other stuff. So I'm doing 18 every morning. Still the whole thing gets done under 18 minutes.

I'm still at 90 right now, having trouble punching through this barrier, but I am still gaining mass and my friend asked me if I was on steroids. A great sign.

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The words are not the problem. All he does is focus on the words. When everything else is his problem.
To quote I have no clue what you're taking about. Is he living in a closet or something?
I guess it beats a cupboard.
You do realize, that people who are out of shape, usually can't do pushups, and can never do chinups, yes?

Not that it matters. He just wants to become the Master Wordsmith, talk to TWO women per day, and not work on any other area, and then wonder why he keeps failing.

I mean, I could point him to things like a guy who does 3,000 approaches over ten years and gets zero lays from it.
Or the guy who did 5,000 approaches over 3 years and got 3 lays out of it.
There were both very focused on "having the right thing to say" and then just talking to whatever pretty girl was so unfortunate as to be walking past them on a given day.
Because why work on what matters? "Game" is the great equalizer, right? I mean, Tyler says so, and he's known for his honesty and candor.
So off he goes, using the proven method of failure. Don't work on your looks. Don't work on your voice or how you come across. Don't learn to read body language. Spam approach and say the right thing. It'll work out different when I do it!

I think the best solution is for him to go on a quest, such as the Destiny of Greatness

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The cloths in his closet fool.

I've never heard Tyler speak a word. I go for more of the scientific PUAs. Like Vin Dicarlo, Joshua Pellicer. Most of the names I'm hearing dropped on this forum seem like the McDonalds of PUA. The fast food everyone gets and quotes. The first time I became aware of Julien was in Neo's old thread. I never read MM.

My brother has slept with more than most of those Gurus being a natural and a former drug dealer, but I don't listen to his advice which is basically. Be overly complimentary, supplicate to every whim of the woman, ignore all rude behavior, isolate them as quickly as possible, fuck then send them on their merry way.

Guys who aren't scientific, but simplistic in their approach to this game don't offer many insights to anything that I haven't already seen in real life personally.

Just get in shape and have a decent style then the rest will take care of itself. This might be true I suppose. There is no need to study the psychology aspect of it all. No need to understand how women think and what words are best used when.

I'm not a guy who aims to be good as the next man. Hell I'm not a guy who aims to be better than 1 out of 10 guys which is what that advice produces. People like Joe don't understand what it means to have ambition. 007 does seem to be aiming super high as well. His problem was he skipped over the basics. Something like dale carnegies how to win friends and influence people would serve him well. It's not a PU book but a book in basic human persuasive tactics.

I've had basics ingrained in me for years I'm well past that stage. If Tyler or whoever don't have anything to say other than get in shape get some decent cloths and the rest will take care of it'self I'm not going to listen.

That's like white belt shit. It's like telling a salesman all he needs to do is throw on a nice suit and get in shape and the rest will take care of itself without giving him any salesman tactics. Like bullet theory, or something Warped recently taught me "keeping the powder dry"

The words matter tremendously. If you are looking for more. But yes. You CAN rely on looks alone and just screen for the girls who are already interested in you.

Take this post for instance. hello-guys-vt179056.html

Theoretically all you would need to do is that and have style and be in shape and you can get many women if the words you say don't matter.

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To take this a step further...

Cloths aka your style matters because women judge you off your first impression.
The shape you are in also matters due to this.

I have amazing style and am in shape.

It does not end there.

After the first impact impression you have to open your mouth and say words to the woman.

If you have maxed out the first two things and you are dealing with a woman who talks to nothing but guys in shape with style what makes you so special to her?

A model chick who is in fashion is surrounded by these dudes on a daily basis. It's no big deal. It just gets your foot in the door.

Now, knowing her psychology and having all of the skills beyond shape and cloths being a wordsmith like you put it is what determines the heights of your success. Minor leagues, amateurs, major leagues, professionals.

There is a difference. People like Joe thinks that a basic PUA like himself can never aspire to greatness. Like if he was in a club full of celebrities he would feel like he stands no chance in the room. Everyone is in shape and has style, so he has nothing left to offer except basic words and an approach mechanism. So he starts screening the high class women and they all blow him out because he refuses to entertain them. It's a personal choice but don't confuse your personal choice of being basic with a reality that no one can go beyond that basic reality you live in.

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I found you can talk to people who are walking towards you better than you could a woman walking away form you. It looks very creepy, strange, and if inexperienced, potentially rapey. Not the best of look and due to lack of calibration, it can come off as creepy, and weird. 007, i think you are doing pretty good. Areas to improve on would be numbers, pulls but, build off where you are now.

Nah. Its more socially acceptable in clubs but, you can do it in cafes too. Address the group. Keep talking. I love meeting women in cafes, coffee shops, and art museums. Its about calibration.
As I established, it is not even questionable about being ballsy. You got that down. Something you could observe from rsd pua models or lets say the Zyzz video I linked in a post on pg5, self amuse. I never see you bring the party or fun. With calibration, this is money however, there is going too far, being the dancing monkey and or clown. Jeffy refers to this as women giving you the "hahah but no" response.
PU is flawed system because it pan handles to female entitlement, the female passive dating role, and it most if not all is usually a waste of time. Lets say, you approach 10 women in a span of time, how many do you get in numbers, pulls, and full closes? Likely, a miniscule amount if any at all. In terms of numbers, I get them often but, I also get lots of flakes, most women who do not have a life or anything interesting going on.
007, there is no reason why you are not enough already. What if you just approached lots of women and were directly interested? I am sure you would get lots of rejections but it would remove ambiguity. I do not think transitioning is necessary unless you do MM which requires lots of bullshit, time, seeing her again, and removing the element of surprise. Women usually have men in their life, orbiters, men they are friends with, and men who obsess over them. Then, you have the men they fuck, they men they want to fuck, and men they want to marry.

This is why I refer to you as a basic PUA. You know that you are getting tons of flakes. So instead of observing the method you are using to get the number and improving that. You blame PU for being flawed instead of YOUR PU being flawed then accept the flake percentage you get thinking there is nothing to be done.

Gambler, (the man who owns this forum) has a system called 43 texts. Before you even get to the texting system he talks about the difference between a SOLID number and a FLAKEY number. Joe gets a bunch of flakey numbers because he uses a flakey PU system. It's because of the words that he uses. Not his clothing style or his shape.

There is a difference between a solid and a flakey number. Joe will chalk it up to a carrot in the face then not improve himself. That is where most PUAs are and will stay until they take their ego out of the equation and go back into a student mode.

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Everything is time consuming but, if you see the value in it, you are dedicated and committed. People do that with school, with a career, a woman, a marriage, relationship. You do this with PU. Sadly, i get the feel that there is PU obsession involved. Women seem to spot it that, time dedicated to female obsession and they are turned off by that. They are turned on by men who are aloof, that get girls, and do not prioritize much about it. It is attractive to get girls but, it is unattractive to chase and dedicate your entire life to that cause.
This is what I see of PU; spamming women with your cock. It is a system that competes for female attention, plays into female entitlement, female passive dating role, and provides little stressors if any at all for a woman to be her best. It suggests she can suck as a human being and provide life as well as herself and the world no value but, men will handle her shit because she is incapable.
Cool! So you need to quit school, so you can do TWO approaches per day? Do you understand how many women you can meet in ONE college party?[/quote]

this is implying, if I spam out my resumes over two years, I will get a job I am satisfied with. Likely but, how much of that will be wasted time? My advice would be to continue to do PU but, to have something more important going on in your life. Maybe do this but, dedicate the next two years to back packing Europe and working with a worker visa. Learn about culture, meet beautiful women from all over, and really make the most of the experience. If not, maybe consider starting a business or getting into a trade.
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Read Antifragile. JB suggested it in a recent video blog. I found a pdf copy online. Just do a google search and it will come up. You can dowload it to your android or iphone. Read it when traveling. It speaks of the many stressors we have that help make us stronger. An example would be the stressors of walking and movement on our bones and joints. Too little causes atrophy but too much destroys.

Going back to women, they have little to no stressors at all what so ever while in late teens or early twenties. Despite a series of poor lifestyle choices, they continue to get the pedestal SPAM up and until men stop giving a fuck. This does not help them develop and is the reason why many women in their teens, twenties, thirties, and some even forty have the not matured or developed into a quality human being who adds value. Instead, they divorce, take away a man's children, they make up false rape allegations or domestic abuse calls to the authorities despite being the aggressor.

007, go back packing Europe and meet some awesome women. I think you will develop some worldly experience. You may even choose to write a blog documenting your process not like a fr but, the lessons you had, the journey you are on, and what you took away from each day. I am sure people would tune in and maybe it would open up some new avenues to success.

V, most people are pathetic. I saw a fat woman the other day with another girl. I greeted her and she was rude. She is fat. Her place in life is to grunt, eat too much shit, and hopefully, be a booty call if lucky. Here, she will grunt some more.
I think the bigger problem is the collective ego; we have the feminist nazis who "you cannot say or do that!" We have brain washed men who listen like a retard. We have the school systems putting little boys on meds in order to make their job easier while making them dumb just for expressing masculinity in any form. And of course, the age today where people get a trophy for participating despite sucking at life.

None of the above wins wars or gets a man laid. A participation trophy is a disgrace. This is a generation of participation trophies, women who cannot cook or clean let alone, take care of themselves never mind be a gf or a wife. If the current generation fought the generation from WW1 or WW2, it would be a complete blood bath.
Agreed with the above link.

You're wrong. If he's self amusing and direct with his interest, he'll get laid like crazy. Doesn't matter if he is overweight, dressed poorly or speaks awkwardly. Girls sleep with self amusing guys. Tyler talks about this guy who was 500 pounds, jobless, had body odor and creepy smile, no friends, yet he got laid like a rockstar because he was self amusing and escalated. He once saw the guy pull the hottest Swedish girl from 10 guys while eating a sandwich. Zyzz was in great shape and girls were naturally attracted to him, he said "just have fun" so that applies to everyone, even slobs or weird guys. If you work on your social skills, you're changing yourself to supplicate. If he just says the right things, girls will forget the other stuff. If he expresses interest, girls will be so entralled by his balls of steel, they'll fuck him right there.

This actually isn't "impossible" There are situations where a cold approached girl will fuck you on the spot for expressing interest. The one I've experienced is in a swingers club. The Trapeze. Granted I don't look like a fat slob, but I bet if say a Rick Ross fat slob like individual walked around he could probably fuck girls on the spot as well for just expressing interest. But a guy like that can project "Gangster Boss." which has attractive qualities in itself.

Even without being in shape, or having style. You have to compensate for the lack of style or shape with something else. Even then, due to your lack of style and shape if you are just compensating with the right words you won't have as good of results as a guy in shape and with style. Due to him having a better first impression. Just using words is an uphill battle. Unless you are famous or rich and the girl can tell before you start talking. But if you were famous or rich you would have some sort of style at least. Rick Ross has plenty style. In a swingers club though you're basically just walking around with a towel on so the style thing goes out the window.

I don't think fat slobs without style who are rich and famous and get laid exist. When you're rich you just buy nice cloths anyway. The words are extremely important from my experience if you are aiming for girls who are already awash in guys with style/are in shape unless you have status. Status trumps looks and game when it comes to dealing with these average girls. When the girl also has status then the balance of what trumps what changes. The fat rick ross like individual with status all of a sudden is being blown out and is looked upon as a nasty pig when he was viewed as a godlike boss by these average hoes.

There are certain boxes that need to be ticked.

Clothing
In Shape - these two are the easiest things to attack this is why these basic gurus say address these things first. If they can get a guy going from 0 girls to 1 or 2 average girls a week then this is a roaring success.

Then there are the boxes that are harder to check. The boxes of the advanced.


Actual game (aka charisma) - game is the weakest box on it's own, but if the previous 2 are checked then it becomes the strongest thing on the list when dealing with girls who are desensitized to guys with clothing and who are in shape.

Status - When dealing with average girls this is the strongest thing on the list and trumps the other 3. This is why celebrities say they can never find love because a bunch of them don't have non McDonald's PU game and don't understand female psychology so they can't discern whether or not the woman was attracted to them or their status. They were attracted to you for your status my man. You only used the status to get them, and basic charisma. Especially if you are out of shape. That's the deal.

When the girls have equal status they don't give a fuck about your status. They judge you on your health, aka shape, your social IQ (aka your style), so that you meet the basic criteria of what they are already used to. Then the most important part. The words that you say.

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