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How do you open a group of 4 SHB10? What kind of value can you give them and not be seen as needy while doing this, as you are saying that you should give a value to the group at first.

How did you keep it so down to earth attitude and still being able to act like you're the PRIZE? How do you control your ego?



Oh yeah and total respect for being one of the best PUA's and still being able to answer questions on this forum.

Dejan
Hey Prosp3ct,

Opening and giving them value will vary in a dozen of situations. It depends on how you know them, how you met them, where the location is, etc. Act like you're the prize by running an investment based game, not a value based one. Value based methods are too try hard and and about yourself where as investment models get the girls putting in the effort.

Investment is the way to go! :o)


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Hey Adam, I have a question about sexual escalation. From reading a lot of your material I understand that you like to make friends with a girl first and to check out the girls in her social circle first before escalating. I hear other PUA instructors saying that when a 'window opens' you have to escalate or else the girl loses interest through thinking you're too nervous to go through with it. My question is how do you keep the girl attracted if you 'miss' these windows for you to escalate without seeming like it's just because you're too pussy to go for it?
Hey LittleMan1991,

Honestly, the best course of action is to not miss those windows in the first place. It's so much harder to fix something that you mess up than to not mess up in the first place. IF, however, you do mess it up, try to fix it that same night or time that you have with her.

The longer you wait the harder it will be to fix so get over those mental blocks as soon as you can.

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Hey Adam

Hows it going? I hear that you escaped from england to live out in america... lucky bugger lol.

I just got a quick question... I've been doing a little daygame/street game recently and have been getting improving results but whats really holding me back is the initial transition from my opener, for example my opener would be excuse me do you know where topshop is?... after they give me directions I dont know where to go from there if they....

A) dont have an accent or ethnicity I can comment or relate to

or

B) aren't wearing an interesting item of clothing or accessory I can comment on

how would I go about transitioning from this opener if I cant comment with these latter examples.

Thanks in advance.

Scorpio
The Scorpio 101,

The best way to transition after the opener is to ask another basic question about them. Such as “So where are you headed now?” or “You know London well, are you from around here?”

Any basic follow up question will work.


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Hi Adam and fellow PUAs, here is a question:

my background: I've been in the game for a half a year, gotten better socially, understand social dynamics quite well. In general girls like me. I was told that I am an attractive and intelligent guy.

my situation: I am an MBA (graduate) student at one of the top business schools in my city. Recently got accepted. I am trying to build a nice social circle in my school to gain easy access to female students of the college.

Tonight I attended an undergraduate event at the bar on campus. I was surprised by a favorable f/m ratio (>1) and concentration of cute girls. I came to a bar with my male classmate. He is not very socially active, but isn't shy when it comes to talking to girls - just not proactive.
We were hanging out at the bar and I was talking to almost every girl that passed by to order a drink. When there were no girls near by - I talked to a bartender. I was leaning against the bar, laughing, joking, gesturing when it was appropriate - i.e. was trying to project myself as a confident, socially calibrated, high value guy.
I was pretty successful at chatting up random girls that were walking by - some of them would come back and hang out.I also noticed girls giving me IOIs from across the room. However I wasn't proactively approaching sets, that were standing farther away from me. The reason for it was that there were no clear cut sets - everyone kinda knew everyone because they all live on campus. Therefore potential for an external interrupt was always high. Also, I didn't want to be a weird grad student that came to an undergrad party to make friends. In situation like this I COULD NOT turn on my PUA "I will never ever see them again" - mentality cause I don't want to ruin my reputation on campus.

How would do you recommend gaming environments like this without putting my reputation and social status in danger?
Hey Dunkan,

If you're gaming in an environment where you care about the surroundings then you will never be able to emotionally remove yourself and give it your all. I would recommend changing your location to a non-college bar to practice the high end stuff, and then when you're confident in your ability, go back to your home turf.


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I have a question not about pickup, but about your lifestyle. First, let me say two pieces of information:

1. You are a master PUA and you have a wife

2. I am in a place where I am a decent PUA, and I have a GF who wants to be married. I love her dearly, but I won't marry her at this point because I feel like it would take away a lot of the motivation for me to improve myself socially.

How do you balance being able to have basically any woman you want, with being married? Have you had open relationships? And can you just briefly discuss your relationship dynamic.


Thank you. I am very interested in how a master PUA handles indefinate commitment.
Hey GravesRR7,

Yes, I am married and in a very exclusive, committed, loving relationship. There are no other women. There are still ways to improve socially, but it's not about picking up chicks, its about socializing and interacting with everyone you come across. Now we get discounts in shops, freebies, and massive social proof in all venues we go to.

Unless you are ready to make that commitment to someone else and yourself, you should not get married. It wouldn't be fair for yourself or your girlfriend.

Adam


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Hey Adam, my name is also Adam.haha Anyway I'm 29 and had a question about managing 2 relationships. Dating 2 girls, ones 25 and gives me emotional stability but the sex sucks, and the other is 20 and is awesome in bed. I can't decide which one I like better so I'm dating both of them equally, flip flopping nights and it actually is working pretty well, seems like it creates the right amount of distance to keep the attraction high. But I'm not that kind of guy and it's starting to weigh on my heart. I like both girls equally and it's getting difficult to manage my feelings when I'm with the other girl. I've been with the 25 yr. for about 2 months and the 20yr. for about 3.5 weeks. Any advice is helpful. Thanks!!!
Hey Gerlach,
Honestly, if you're not happy having open relationships with both of them then you have to choose one. If that's not a good option either then break it off with both and find someone else who does fullfill all your needs.

Adam is a great name by the way. ;)


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Hello Adam ,
Thanks for visitin the chat the other week was really informational.
My question is very simple:

How do you open mixed sets ? and what is the best way to do it ?What is your best material for mixed sets?

Im afraid using opinion openers can get you caught these days...

hope you can fill me in.

Thank you and god bless you bro
Hey Raman,

Glad you enjoyed the chat room, we'll definitely do it again! When opening a mixed set always go in via the guys in the group and build up some comfort with them. While you're talking with them find out if they're dating anyone that way you know who is fair game. Then casually ask them who everyone else is and get introductions. If you're friendly with the guys they won't have a problem with you getting to know the girls.


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Thanks for the advice,i guess it looked weird if i didn't always go back to comfort.
Now I'll try to make this question quick : i did the mistake of not meeting a girl right away after i got her contacts,and while chatting online for a pretty long period there is a lot of investment going on(and therefore a lot of pressure on the dates).We used to meet up for small things like 2,3,10 minutes then we went on a date that was like 2 weeks ago, and now she seems to be finding reasons not to go out with me(you told a guy in this topic that sending mixed messages could make girls be more defensive,and i might be guilty of that too).However I am bored of long online chatting,as it is going either to nowhere either to a stupid argues.I am also bored of meeting her for 2,3,10 minutes because i can't SE like superman.I cannot keep this as interesting as it was,if it's going backwards.Is this a dead set ?
Thx a lot man
Hey poet1234,

It seems like you need to be moving faster in the interactions. From what you've given me it seems like it is stalling out, and so are you if you're getting bored with the long talks. I would push for another meet up and tell her it will be a brief one but then plan out other things to keep it being fun and stretch the time out so you're together for a whole afternoon. Then you can escalate it over time.

If you can't get the meet then it might be a dead set. Hope this helps!

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Hey Adam,

I've watched a few of your day game approaches and noticed that you didn't seem to break rapport, and yet were still very successful (of course :wink: ). I haven't really seen any of your videos in a club, but based on my experience and that of what I've seen and read I feel breaking rapport in the club (being cocky funny and what not) is very affective.

Is this one of the differences between day game and club game? Do you feel that breaking rapport in the day isn't necessary?
Hey prodigy409,
It's not that breaking rapport during the day isn't necessary, its that you can get away with so much more at night and in clubs that it might seem more important. Breaking rapport is always necessary as that is what the spark of attraction in.

The rule of thumb for day time is that you should build more comfort and not escalate as quickly as you could during night game. But always break rapport, just do it in more subtle and gentle ways.

Adam


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Hi Adam,

I'm about to record my own science dvd lecture series and would like your advice regarding shooting dvds.

I've always admired the audiovisual production side of your presentations (especially the recent video on puatraining) and was wondering could you give me some tips in this area.

Cheers.
Hey afcsnackbox,

This is such a broad topic and subject. I'm not an expert on this, I'm just learning as I go and enoying the process. Check out YouTube videos and other expert sites for their tutorials and guides, that's how I started out.

Thanks for enjoying them, that definitely encourages me to keep practicing!


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Hey Adam,

It's been a few months since I contacted you. My game has improved pretty considerably and I've found my own style. And my new weapon iiss (drumroll please) soocial callibratioon!! Yep, these days I almost completely rely on my social calibration to swept the girls off their feet. After doing a bunch of sets throughout the year, the principles of attraction by Adam Lyons, triad model of Love Systems, etc etc has became a part of me. And the best thing about them is that, it suits my personality and convey it to people in the right way. Do I deserve a compliment and reward??? Just answer my questions please: :)

1. After a while on the game, I'm still having difficulties on building a massive social circle and create abundance. When I talk to the girl, like I told you before, I was a little bit of a natural and what I say is mostly full of frame control, qualification, and I can kino endlessly. If I meet the girl that I really want to get (say at 9) I can pump it even bit higher. I'm not that good, but sometimes I find that the girls that I just want to be friends with fall in love with me, and things will be hard when I ask her to hang out with me and bring her other hot friends. How'd you avoid this trap, man? I heard something about qualify yourself as a man with whom she can date, then disqualify yourself by saying that you're going to introduce her to your male friend, who might have the potential quality to be right man for her. What do you think about this? I don't really have a lot of QUALITY male friends that are single, the quality ones are usually the ones who has a girlfriend already. And how if the girl is an ugly girl, instead of pretty hot ones that my friends would like to go out on a date with? How do I add value to the UGs life?

2. Still about the social circle building, how'd you build a social circle that have a lot of high value female and male that I can hang out with? I they are so high value (successful with women, rich, having an interesting lifestyle, etc) I almost have nothing to offer, because they already have it all! How can I add value to their life? In some cases, these people actually only need a good listener that has no agenda than genuine friendliness, but how to deal with the ones that also asks for some kind of value in their life?

3. Daygame session! What do you think about big group approach and mixed sets on the daytime? If it's a filtered venue or I'm the one who has social proof (e.g my own school, party, venue where I have some friends) I do approach the mixed sets and have pretty big of a chance to get one of the hotties, but how do you deal with a "completely out of the blue" mixed sets, like the one who you see walking on the street?

4. Fashion time! You mentioned about using moisturizer to keep your skin fresh and healthy,and that many people mistaken your age as 23!! Do you use moisturizer on your face too or it's just your body skin? If you also use a face moisturizer, can I ask for a recommendation of a brand??

5. Specific sticking point question: how do you deal with a player? The story with this girl was, I met her at a party of my close friend's, I got her interest (a massive ones, if only it was quieter and had the game of mine at that time, I'm pretty sure I can k-close her). She was pretty easy to attract, friendly and it made me cocky so that I didn't bother to continue with building comfort further, which proven to be very fatal for me. For the next few weeks, I've gone through a lot of follow up game via text, Facebook and stuff, but it failed. Later, I was tired of dealing with her and decided to move on. To my surprise, last 2 weeks,she greeted me on MSN and it was game on. using stealth attraction, I loosely set up a date, but we can't do it until the next 2 month, she wants to hang out but she can't.

So basically, I'm doing a lot of phone and text game with her. She never reply to my text, but she always pick up my calls. One time, she picked my phone, chit chat for a while, but she said that her battery's running out and asked me to switch to MSN. I chit chat with her for a while, but seems like phone and text is her specialty. I didn't get much and I bailed after some conversation dry out.

She's a player and pretty good at text game. But when I call her, she's friendly and open, but she still has her game and just reply briefly to my comfort questions.
If I use too much push/pull or teasing, she'd be bored. What I did was put her on small qualification statements, like I complimented her on her make up, and said that not every girl could do that, then I ask her if she's learning it from her mom or by herself. She said it's for herself and I connect by saying it's important for a girl to be able to do their own make up. That's the only point where I got a pretty much info about her.

Now, I don't have that much time and money to buy credit to call her every few days, so, do u think it's a good idea to revert back to text game, or just call her every weekend (remember that we have set up a day2 plan few months later). What do you think I should do with this girl? I see a pretty good LTR or MLTR potential here.

Meanwhile, I'll meet several other girls.

Thanks a LLLLLOOOOTT, pal

God bless,
Steven ;)
Hey Steven,

Thanks so much for the eagerness to learn but there are waaaay too many questions. You're killin' me! Please keep it to one per post and I will be happy to help out.


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What up Adam.

Glad to see your answering questions. I started reading your stuff once I found out it was based heavily on psychological studies.

Can you explain "frame control" to me. I don't fully understand it (would be awesome if you could give examples for each type of frame). Thanks man.
Hey Relly War,

Frame control is a very advances and deep subject that I usually teach over a few hours on our advanced workshops. It's far too in depth to go through on here. The best way to get a complete breakdown is on the MPUA University series from PUA Training, I have a whole DVD that I created on the subject.


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Hey Adam, thanks for the advice on conversation. I've been trying my best to improve and I'm finding it really hard, but I'm making small improvements.

I've been out tonight and yet again I've come home disappointed in myself. I didn't make any approaches. Also, I went out with girls, who all got hit on, and ended up ditching me for the guys that hit on them. I tried going out with girls as you said for the pre-selection. Obviously pointless without having the confidence to approach. This is really starting to frustrate me and bother me. I struggle to keep a conversation going still, which ends up with the girls I'm with ditching me for just other guys, and ends up with me not making any approaches. I've studied loads of material, yet I can't bring myself to put it into practice.

I've improved a lot from when I first started learning this stuff, I mean before this I couldn't talk to anyone, not even any of my family, I couldn't get on a bus without somebody else with me or I would shit myself about fucking up when I told the driver where I wanted to go, I couldn't talk on the phone - I couldn't talk to anybody. It was fucking ridiculous.

So I'm quite confused how to go about putting what I've learned into practice, I wanna sort this out. What would you recommend I do? What steps should I take? I was thinking maybe I could explain to a girl friend I go out with what my problem is, and how I'm meaning to fix it, and tell her all about this stuff rather than trying to hide it. How do I do that without coming across as a weirdo?

I'm sorry if there's too much writing here. I really need help, it's very frustrating. I think you're awesome for helping us all out on here answering these questions. Thanks a lot mate.
Hey WillieB.Long,

This is a common issue that a lot of guys struggle with. To be honest, I have the exact same problem except with working out and going to the gym. There are days when I just cannot drag myself to go no matter how badly I know I need to so I can improve. To fix that, I got a personal trainer and now I am financially tied in as well as having someone hold me accountable.

The easiest and quickest way to fix that is to do a bootcamp where you will have someone helping you, leading you and working with you the whole way. If that isn't an option, get a friend or wing to do the same thing. It won't be the best in terms of technique and the stages past approaching, but it's a start.

Hope this helps,
Adam


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Hi Adam,

Before asking my question I just want to thank you for being so generous with the amount of specific articulate tips and advice you have available on the internet. And the fact that you actually take the time to answer questions is incredible. Thank you. The videos and literature of yours that I have found one the internet has truly brought my game to another level. I'm constantly meeting cool new girls using your advice.

I'm 22 years old, above average looking and fairly natural. I am capable of picking-up up rather attractive girls from opening to f-closing. Although for the most part I'm just enjoy how my education of pick-up artistry (if it can be called that) has brought so many fun attractive people into my life. But I'm trying to achieve the next level: attracting 10's. I've used the women I've met to experiment with what you call "meta-game", which in many respects has served me very well. By befriending several sets of girls in a club or bringing some girls with me to the club I find gorgeous out-of-my-league type girls that i approach are extremly receptive.

However I have experience a glitch in the extreme social proof method: the average looking girls that I am befriending to build social value become attracted to me. Ofcoarse this doesn't seem like a problem, but I find they often become clinging and can (and have) ruined the set with the target, because they are jealous. I mean if you go to a club with a posse of 100+ women surely a handful of them are going to be pining for you and may be difficult to get rid of when it comes time for you to pick-up a different girl. I was wondering if you have experienced this problem and how you remedy it. Do you build relationship with girls in a way that suggests you just want to be friends (perhaps by avoiding kino escalation) to build your entourage? or is it possible to turn a past target, with whom you have sexual escalated, into you into a wingwoman to attract somebody else (perhaps more attractive/ higher social value) without them being clingy? How to handle situations in which the girls in your posse get clingy and try to distract or blow you out of target sets?

Any response would be well appreciated. I'm sure Im not the only up-and-comer experimenting with extreme social proof who is running into this problem.

Thank you for reading this Adam, congratulations on being the number one pua, and a bigger congratulations on your marriage.
Hey Wanderbred,

This is a funny question... On my bootcamps I always say that I can teach you how to get the girl but I can't teach you how to turn it off. And this is essentially the same thing. If you game them, they like you. If you don't and ignore them then you're playing hard to get and they like you. If you learn how to get rid of them, let me know. ;)


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Adam! I know I shouldn't concentrate on one girl but everytime I'm home from school she's always around. Anyway she's been with a lot of guys and idk if she sees me as a potential. We've always had a cocky fun attitude with some flirting in there but I now I'm interesting in getting sexual next time. She texts me out of nowhere saying she misses me and we should hang but when we hang it's just normal hanging. When I try to advance she just laughs and says I'm funny. So I think she just likes the attention. Idk. What do you suggest I do to attract her and show her a good time? ;)

- Foxtrot
Hey Foxtrot5,

She definitely likes the attention and likes that you are someone who she can keep coming back to. The best way to break out of that is to break rapport and qualify in a sexual way so that she can't just brush past it and laugh. Also make sure that you're slowing down the interaction so that it gets deeper than just being on a joke-y vibe.


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