Maybe he does want to. But his intention is definitely not being projected in his actions. My family members say they love me, then turn around and steal from me, and damage my quality of life on a consistent basis.

It's all about actions V. He is taking action. But a qoute one of my Drill Instructors once said can be applied here.

"It's not practice that makes perfect. It's perfect practice that makes perfect!"

He's been told many many times, before he even made this thread that he needed to change what he was doing. Joe tries to discredit me due to me admitting I haven't left my apartment complex this year to do any cold approaches on the street. Do you think if I was ashamed of focusing my time on money instead of women I would have said it? Does not doing a cold approach in a month suddenly give me amnesia, and now I am unable to pick up women at all?

The OP won't listen to anyone who is giving him the feedback to get better with women. Therefore my analysis of his actions is that he does not have the intention of getting better with women. He's just trolling people. He even put a troll meme in the video to support this.

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extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
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Nobody's talking abt routines or tactics or being an ass. Telling the guy to not be socially awkward.
Arent you the one who says people's advice shouldnt be listened to if they don't show infields and do PU right now? So you place importance on someone's pulls, then say society is too focused on if someone pulls? Just wanted to state what you were saying. And no one really knows any of those dudes, besides Russell Brand. He's a famous actor and comedian. Ask the average girl or guy if they know JB, Zyzz etc, they'll scratch their head. Ask a guy on a PU or body building forum, yeah, they're known, but that's not representative of society. If you went to an Engineering forum, you'd find everyone knows X nobel prize winner.
I would like marriage and kids one day. Sure, there are women who screw you during a divorce and all that, but what's the worry? Be prepared and make a wise choice before getting into marriage and kids. And if shit does go wrong, live with it and move on. Bad shit can happen in everything. I could wreck my car and be crippled tomorrow, doesn't mean I'm not gonna drive my car. If it happens I'll deal with it.
I mentioned hot or any woman. Men who do PU are looking for women they find attractive. Me saying hot is me just not bsing and saying the truth; that looks are what men see in a woman to approach first.
Why does it need to be mentioned that she offers something herself? It doesnt need to be stated. If you want a lay, she offers a pussy. If you want a relationship, it's up to you what you're looking for.
Agree with V here. This cock carousel thing is just a myth to explain a girl not wanting to be guys gf while she dates around. Truth is, most women don't go from hookup to hookup. Some do. But the majority don't. You seem the be too concerned with what MANY women may be doing, instead of what MOST actually do.

I don't know if OP is trolling, but he very well could be serious. That's whats messed up. He could be brainwashed by the whole "you are enough" "fuck social conditioning" "act through your own intentions" bs that's circulated in PU that keeps guys from taking feedback.

We can agree, women reach a age where they begin to chant a different tune. If there was no biological clock, I believe most would never act proper.
That is the irony of it all. Man needs to improve, do this, do that in order to win her approval. Its the tail wagging the dog. The same with spending thousands on boot camps in order to get a woman. Its ridiculous really. yes, you have to approach to meet her but, not approaching women does not get you laid either. The way feminists would have it, man should never approach ever and the exception being for those who fit into the brand that society accepts. 007 did good by going. He can calibrate and work on the rest.

Aaaaand here's where you clearly identify your problem

1. You're not interested in learning anything beyond a VERY limited skill set.
2. Your focus is all wrong - good conversation skills will help you in ALL aspects of life. Yes, we're talking about women on this forum, but if you really want to be successful, you should have your own personal development handled
3. Trying to learn conversation (or any other social) skills through picking up women is like a beginner golfer trying to learn how to be good by jumping into the advanced class. You'll stumble and fumble because you don't have the basics right, and a lot of the things you're missing won't be obvious.
Social clubs put lower pressure on you, give you opportunities to learn new social skills WITHOUT the fear of someone walking away, and is a great way to build up your own social circle.

If you don't have the fundamentals of good social skills, comfort and rapport then you'll have a lot more difficulty in being successful with women.

http://unfilteredpuaconfessions.blogspot.com.au/

Now the dude is talking about committing suicide. It's not that serious man. I could give you 2-3 things and you will be closing and having dates on the regular. Why would you choose to kill yourself rather than just take and use the helpful feedback given here. If you're still alive and you read this. I don't understand your reality.

I'm a black man living in America, what's more I grew up in Ferguson. I grew up with a treacherous family. And recently got ran over by a bus. I'm not trying to make light of your situation, but everything you speak of seems self imposed. I had no choice in these matters, but you don't see me talking about killing myself due to life circumstances. PM me.

I can bring you money, and women. I wrote a book about legitimate work from home jobs and I know as much if not more than the next man when it comes to PU. Won't charge you a dime to share my knowledge.

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I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

The only thing he can control is what he does. He approached and took action. Chalk it up to a victory. Obviously, the next thing would be to aim at actually numbers and pulling. Then, move onto harems or in your case, a monogamous relationship pending what 007 wants.


My advice is that, people should do what they preach. I do not have infield I share openly online. If we ever wing, I will share with you the way I do a friend or close wings. My point is that, most make negative points or troll from youtube but, they themselves have no balls to approach let alone leave their home. Credit, positive feedback and than, "areas of improvement" as Anthony Robbins would suggest likely will reach 007. What do most people do? Project insecurity and negativity which is a reflection of their poor self esteem.
Like you, I am socially conditioned. Zyzz, Brand, YaBoyDave, and others who pull like JB have our respect which stems from female entitlement and acceptance or better known as gynocentrism. Court women. When their favor at any costs. Emasculate other men. One big cock measuring competition. In social circles, the people admire they guy who pulls the hotties and ownes his sex drive.
Met too but, the more I have done PU, the more I have pulled, seen the good, the bad, the ugly, the more I think I am delusional like most men in society about marriage and white picket fence.
I am hoping that is a rhetorical question rather than you actually seeking a response here. I stated throughout sexodus men being fucked financially solely due to having a cock. Men court ordered, prenups over ruled, and despite conclusive evidence of dna testing and infidelity, a man is forced to pay a woman. Read the sexodus thread again. Google search on it.

I am not saying all women are like this or I would not bother with PU but join up in mgtow or sexodus. I believe there is good so, I continue to pursue that but, there is a lot more low level consciousness about everyday. There is carelessness and as I established, the system does not provide the kind of stressors males experience in order to become a bad ass and overcome bullshit. The system pan handles to women as victims; the lesser sex because their is money in that fight but, women do not see it as a lack of independence or by default, it making them dependent and lesser. They start talking through their nose about not needing a man or not a sloot only to contradict themselves shortly. Simply, every time a woman has ever said this, she has always contradicted herself in my experience.
In all do respect, this is a cop out the way people say, "buckle up; wear your seat belt." This does not stop a cock sucker on heroine crashing into you. I could spend my days eating low carbs and working out endlessly but, some piece of shit who eats mcdonalds and clogs their arteries could have a heart attack or stroke crashing into me and ending my existence. Chose wisely as a man is all he can do. A woman can flip on a dime after children. What is that saying, "two and I am out" in reference to Western women who bail after two children.


I use to believe the western world is mad and that, there is less pain body, ego, feminist social agenda zombies in other places. I have met interesting women before but, they are unique and come from a different perspective as well as culture. After the JB shit storm, I think most of the world is following this wussy shit about you cannot say or do this and that. Most are brain washed.

I did however meet a Israeli woman through cold approach. She was non practicing but, quite aware of stupidity in the form of population control and the complete depolarization of men and women. People really do not think for themselves. I am disgusted.
Exactly but, it has happened in marriage so, I am moving further and further away. A woman wearing white who has got porn star like kills is a liar following an outdated tradition most of which has rules and vows to live by. More times than not, women are the ones who break those vows, and we are seeing more stories coming out where men are raising some other man's children. This man is the bad boy, the JB, the Brand, Adam Lyon, the Zyzz, the Yaboydave like character. The women are sleeping with the psychos, the sociopaths, the ones who will not foot their bills or listen to their problems. Beta males pay the ultimate price due to genetic disposition. Sexodus is what evolved because those types of males feel they cannot win. I myself feel compelled to approach no matter what. I get rejected quite a bit but, like 007, I have to approach or I am a liar and a fraud.

I mentioned hot or any woman. Men who do PU are looking for women they find attractive. Me saying hot is me just not bsing and saying the truth; that looks are what men see in a woman to approach first.
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I find zero longevity in a woman like KK but, a typical booty call type of woman. There is lots of these but, men find that, the few who pull that want to marry like Kanye who in a few years will get burned. I cannot speak for every man but, you are probably right about most. I approach based upon energy she puts off. Sometimes, I do it out of impulse to just do it but, the emphasis is beyond how she looks. If I do over a 100 approaches in a week, a miniscule amount I will see again for a period of time. The way society goes about PU, approaching, and rejection is in the batting average paradigm. I see it entirely different. I see we are worlds apart and I have the power to change that by getting past a couple moments of awkwardness. It feels incredible.
This is where I feel most men fail. She has pussy so, lets buy her shit, lets marry her, lets give her children, and cripple myself financially at one point or another. Yes, she has pussy and men will chase or put her on a pedestal. So be it. I am not interested in these types of women. I shared my interest in PU and the longevity I at some point want. In and of itself, I at times get in my own way with some of my perspective, and ambivalence. A more humble man than I stated, "women our age are mostly damaged." I was shocked because he is a genuine sole, attractive to women, relationship oriented, and pretty damn good at PU.

I think and I could be mistaken but, the relationship you are in likely judges your reasoning with women. I just stated some four weeks of PU and I came away with nothing productive outside saying I pulled through cold approach. We spoke of pulling through cold approach in some thread. Pulling deviations above your level is possible but very few men are capable of doing this.
If Zyzz was alive or Yaboydave came to give advice, I would listen. If JB had some longevity advice, I would listen. The problem with the feedback you speak of is that, people giving it are like another fellow member here who has not left his apartment in 2015. Others are in long term relationships. Zyzz would post a video of him being a goof at a music fest or rave followed by pulling a collage of attractive girls. Yaboydave would post some troll video where he hooks up with some girl. Brand just gets girls period. Not everyone does.

I think he could in fact continue to learn through cold approach but, you will burn through tons of women and what is the point of that? I feel like I do that all too often. Then, if there is nothing that clicks, I would much prefer to be single than settle down with someone not right for me.

Buckle up is a cop out? Look crazy shit can happen to you anytime anywhere. Your wife could cheat and you father kids that aren't yours. Your kids could kill you. But worrying or letting fear of what if X happens keep you from what you want isn't good.
Again, this was not a big deal. Censorship is being pushed in recent years but JB wasn't some major point in that.
The problem I have with what you say, is you look at the wrong things to make conclusions. To re harp the words of another poster, pickup/casual dating, is one very very very small piece of society. Tyler, Zyzz, whoever, even if they fuck a million chicks in the club, what knowledge can they give about how the average woman in society is or what is happening? These men live and experience a scewed lifestyle that doesn't make them authorities on what the average person lives. You gotta look at the broader picture. A pickup forum is filled with guys who aren't good with women. Men who were cheated on, loners, got bullied and other negative shit that drove them to pickup. If you look at these places for perspective, you'll get a more negative perspective than what society really is. What can Zyzz tell you about your life? He may have been a guy who could get laid off his looks and fame, but unless you plan to live his life its not helpful. Yes he can give advice on bodybuilding. But what advice, experience can he offer a non ripped guy to get girls? The irony is, he'd probably tell OP to work out, get some tattoes and get some fame, because thats what worked for him. He won't tell the OP to be himself, because he is a man who changed who he was to get the lifestyle he wanted. RB and Zyzz and Dave don't delude themselves that when they get laid it's because they were themselves. And they'd be the first to tell someone to stop creeping if they were not giving sympathy advice.

Agreed but, that is why I am critical of who i date. i do not let it excuse me from PU. I am also selective in relationships.
Censorship is an issue in places like China. JB was an idiot with his actions but, censorship is going too far.BDSM is illegal in most states and provinces yet, it is being glorified and made into a major motion picture. This is wanting your cake and wanting to eat it too with respect to feminism.

That my friend is called perspective.
I can learn from other people but, I come to my conclusions through my experiences. Tyler can have whatever opinion he wants. So can the guys on the mgtow channel. I see this stuff for myself and I acknowledge there is truth there. I believe they go too far by being avoidant of women entirely.

A system is in place that suggests men need to do everything, be everything, and win her approval. Today, most women do not know how to cook or clean, take care of themselves let alone be a wife or a mother god forbid. Now, I bring up Tyler because he is about PU. My experience has coincided with what he said in videos like "What I would do to lock down." I mentioned the kind of women over the past six weeks. I am turned off but, I am not avoiding PU or excusing myself from approaching. I am not doing like mgtow or sexodus. People as a whole are lacking quality and character. The same people who promote censorship and bans, push meds on young boys in the school system (god forbid they actually do their fucking job), the ones that say you cannot do this or say that are the same ones handing out trophies for participation. It is pathetic.
From what you said of your experiences with women prior to PU, it sounds like you are trying to relate to those who do not get any but, how can you speak of this? Your experience prior and following PU from your own words says other wise.


I agree that it is a negative source but, if you can set the ego aside, you can take something away from it.
Who said my life? This is a PU forum. Going back to PU, he knew more about game than everyone on this forum. Self evident from his videos, he had self amusing down.
Neither is pointing out someone's flaws or their inability to get girls. Zyzz had more to say be it trolling or his ridiculous vids. He was not famous. He was a internet troll. He was not rich nor a actor. He did as he preached and the videos speak for themselves. Someone like that commenting on game offers value. Instead, forums are occupied by guys telling everyone how to do this or that, talks of theory, and no content. This thread already included someone saying they have not left their house this month. Its ridiculous.
He has pulled more girls in his vids than most PU companies. Enough said there.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YsGJz3j4os
Apparently, you don't know about Zyzz. He pretty much puts every company to shame.
He lifts bro. If by change, you mean lift, then, yes, he lifts. If you speak about change, you are changing right now aging. Your gf is aging too.
Okay, now you are saying what you think they think or do. Bottom line, they get laid more than any PU company out there and are not paying actresses to be in their little videos or movies.
Speculation. Zyzz has been quoted saying to be a sick cunt.

Lessons learned:

1. Stop putting the pressure on her to talk until I've reached the hookpoint.
2. Write out a better flow chart of all my steps from 1 to 10.
3. Quit taking small steps.

Well there we go. You weren't just trolling after all. Good luck man, let me look at it when your done. I may not say anything on it I'm just curious.

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I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

i'm confused. i don't know what you're referring to here.

Send me a PM if you want, or post it for the world to see if that's your cup of tea.

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and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

Oh...

Yes I will do that but it's going to take some time. I found a good flow chart for street approaches on walking sets [that's the hardest set to do]. For when I STOP the girl in the street and talk with her. I finally got it right after like 10+ failed tries haha.


1. Ask for directions.
(Opinion openers DO NOT walk on walking sets in the street. it's really weird. the only way to get her to stop is to ask for directions).
2. Transition with "I swear I've seen you before! blah blah blah story..." This buys you more time with the girl - allowing you to DHV before you go direct. Alternatively, if you can tell she's into you then you can skip this step and go straight to #3.
3. Then deliver statement of intent: "Actually I just made that up... I thought you were cute and I wanted to talk to you."
4. Observation. "What made you stand out was..."


For example of me successfully following all of these steps see this infield:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOi8fVZY4i0

Opinion openers only work in social environments like a club. And they would seem very strange in a nonsocial environment. ESPECIALLY if you're using an opinion opener on a girl that's walking down the street. No one does that! Although it's possible to pull it off it (1) would work on a smaller % of girls and (2) would require a very solid frame + other good game elements to compensate for that game flaw.And this is true EVEN if you use a root. The only way I could see an opinion opener working in a nonsocial environment would be if you just got off the phone with someone and you URGENTLY needed advice on an extremely serious matter - and they were the only ones around. And then you would transition with "actually I was really bored that's why I asked you guys. Where are you from?"