LOL, I love how you pretend to know me. You reek of insecurity, go wash up.

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All right, enough is enough. All this Mystery-bashing is really getting to me.

Fact #1. Mystery is better than you.
Fact #2. Mystery never trolled around Internet Forums while being a sanctimonious idiot.

The guy has balls of steel for just going out and figuring out his entire model - which WORKS, as many of you will never care to admit. Say he's cheesy, outdated, or over-rated, but the fact remains that he's dated absolutely gorgeous women which you wouldn't dare to imagine in your wildest of wet-dreams, has consistently appeared on television and has accomplished all of his life goals that he had set.

Question is: What are YOU doing with your life?

Take some time, think about it.

Peace.

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Some of these posts should be removed for flaming... Apart from that, we have been over this discussion again and again. Mystery is cool, we all know that, his method works for some and not for all...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Lets break this down.

First, if you seen Mystery infield, you wouldn't be that impressed. Yes, he dose have some skill but hes not amazing. What you have to understand is that alot of these so called "mpua gurus" are really just internet marketers. They found a niche market to get into it (this community) and are making money because of it. His Marketing skills are far better than his PU skill. I've seen him infield three times and each time I came to this same conclusion.

Another important thing to note is that he doesn't use his own method. If you actually watched him (infield video doesn't count. ANYONE can make good looking infield video.) you would notice that his "game" looks a lot more like RSD or Vin DiCarlo's "game."

Many people on this forum can out game Mystery. I realize hes like your "god" or something and I know this hurts but the fact that my post pissed you off so much just means that on a deeper level, you know what im saying is true.

Now, what have I done with my life? I'm not sure why your so interested but I have started a successful business (Dating Coach) and am working on both an acting and modeling career. The modeling is starting to take off.....my acting, not so much. I think I should invest in some acting classes, im not tot good at it.

Now, instead of contributing noting to this forum except negativity I welcome you to have a civil debate with me. Instead of flaming me and making yourself look silly, why don't you instead post reasons that you believe im wrong. That would be much more productive.

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K I skimmed over the thread- being the 1st intial post mostly.

Lets be blunt: Why even compare- I understand where your coming...yet does it matter?

You pointed out the major flaws of MM in comparison to "Natural" game, great...I am not a fan of MM AT ALL. Sametime, is "Natural" stuff better? Sure...in my opinion it is, does that mean it is for everyone? NO.

As I said in the chat, I found this post really useless being it just squabbles over theory & my system is better than yours. Point of it is; does it leave the individual & the people their interacting with better in the end?

If it does..I'm game. Certain types of people are drawn to MM, certain types of people are drawn to natural stuff, some people go into MM and leave etc. Does it mean EVERYONE should be doing natural stuff? NO.

People generally go to whatever they need at the time, when they need it. They search/ find what is necessary to them (mostly being what they put in their expected predicted outcome- if its not in their context they won't be open generally). In the case of MM, ya...people who go into it for whatever reason vary as with anything else in life. It still helps people though, being in THAT stage they are in.

That said; the whole topic you posted though potentially looking to share information needs to be reflected on because to say it X is better than Y is insane. I t maybe for YOU, not someone else- as much as you want them to get it & you may want to speed it up & help (I get it seriously). On the other side...that person, just may have to go their own speed, go through their own crap in their own time. In that you gotta accept fully and not force nor judge (thinking may way is SOO much better- cause it isn't) . So 2 words some up your thread which you gotta reflect on.

Judgement. Acceptance.

I couldn't be assed to read the whole thread through, so I'm just butting in here.

Anyway

First of all, MM reinforces wrong beliefs some men already have towards women, such are:

Women have more value than men, this is just pure bullshit.

Every time a mm-guy goes out to game he'll always be trying to one-up the girl because she, according to mystery, has more value.

The belief that women are easily manipulated by using the so called routines doesn't leave a good impression about women either.

"the search for lines and routines" Countless of times a dude asks "WHAT DO I SAY NOW? DO YOU HAVE ANY LINES OR ROUTINES?"

Sure, you can give him something to work with, but once he's done he'll come back asking for more.

You can give a poor man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Learn him to fish and he'll eat whenever he wants.



Also, in my opinion, why people like MM so much is because it's patchwork over a much bigger problem.

It's easier to spew routines than actually take a pro-active stand and actually work ON YOURSELF.

From my very brief experience with the PUA's. What I have gathered is the best thing to do is study, get out and play a little bit with what you study. Eventually, you keep getting better, you find shit that works for you. Keep studying, and keep practicing and you will keep getting better. Just like any sport you practice, take hockey for example, when you start you need to learn how to pass,shoot,stop,skate but eventually you do all of those things unconsciously without effort. That is my goal with pick up, to do it unconsciously, and when that happens it will be natural. I have a long way to go, but Ive made great strides already. The goal is to get it naturally.

The last couple of pages of this argument has been disastrous.

While certain MM exponents may have demonstrated a complete lack of composure by screaming like an emotional drunk who just found the caps lock button. Te other side aren't that much better they just hide it behind a screen and go...

"Ho ho ho, you are insecure and pathetic making personal attacks"

For the record MM is flawed. It's an important part of the communities history, but tis houldn't be regarded as an effective PU strategy any more than a Steam boat should be considered fast transport as a Motor Boat powers by.

The flaws and un-neccessary flab in the model have been listed over and over again, so I won't go into it. What I will say to the MM crowd, is that pretty much everyone experienced in this thread mentioning MM's faults (including me) has been there and done that in terms of using the MM model to get laid.

So it really isn't adding to your cause by trying to claim that MM's detractors don't know what they are talking about.

To the "Naturalists"; I would like to point out that learning PU is never a "natural" process in the true "meaning" of the word.

@ Warped Mindless

If I look silly and/or stupid, so be it.

Alright, the entire forum now knows that you are against the MM. I see that there is no use to try to persuade you otherwise.

Don't accuse me of being reactive... I'm on a forum, not in set. You are another PUA, no need to play these small games among each other.

What do you stand for? I admit that I'm not a good pick up artist myself, but I stand for the MM, no matter how many rocks people may throw at me.

Give me an example of one guru you admire. Or are you going to tell me that you're so cool that you discovered your own model and never followed anybody.

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Guys, guys... There's something I wanna say!!!!

LISTEN!!!


THIS...




is intense.


Anyways,
chill guys. Mindless can say what he wants to say. So can others.

But keep in mind naturals also don't argue with others just cuz they think theyre right. Alright? So if you think you are right, don't kill someone for it. Thanks!

Plus, every guru has his own awesome things. Sure, Mystery may be wierder (theres no possible way you can out-argue this, Mystery fans, even he admits he's really wierd) than most if not all gurus, but he makes money because people listen. He has a name because people respect. People listen and respect cuz his shit works. ALL gurus will have GAME to some extent, and thats why they can advertise themselves so successfully.

Anyways, you forget what PUA is.

Pick up ART.

Art means you can express yourself through any means.
Art is so undefined... It's anything you want to call it, right?

Pick UP art is the basics of pick up (Frame control, natural NLP whether you admit it or not (Naturals have some form of NLP in them like body language and tonality and shit), confidence, etc.) plus a little bit of ART and interpretation from each who is successful in the game!

Draw your own shit guys... stop copyin the feel of others.

Happy gaming!

P.S. Just read over this... sound like a mom/teacher/idiot. Feel free to criticize!

Wow! Haha way to sum up a whole conversation a friend and I had this week about the MM, and the saddest thing is that there is gonna be an new dating company here in Israel that is working on teaching the MM.

Warped Mindless you simply said everything that was on my mind towards the MM!

and as for this quote: This is so fucking true. Unfortunately the same thing happened to me when I started learning pick up with the Mystery Method.

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LOL, seriously?

I agree with imprint, i got into the game from reading "the game - by Neil Strauss"
he was taught by Mystery himself and became the worlds greatest pick up artist, i dont know anything about natural game but to me it sounds like just having a good time enjoying the moment sort of thing whilst picking up girls.
Something i remembered fom the book is when Style turned to Tyler Durden and said "havnt you got your own personality you can use?". to me this is what its all about, im sure theres alot of ways to game but your not really being yourself if your just folling rules and methods made by gurus.. yeah they do work but do they fit with your character?

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2) Those who watch what happens
3) Those who make it happen

Neither Mystery OR Struass are ANYWHERE NEAR being the worlds best.

There is a reason "The game" is often reffered to as "Strauss's propaganda reel".

Yep, true, but dont forget that this is what got most people into the PUA. I mean, it was the starting point for most of us and Id have to give them fat creds for that.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn