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By positive I mean positive to her. Abuse and drama can be positive emotions to a woman, I'm talking "positive" as she enjoys whatever the emotion is, not positive as in inherantly "good" or "bad." And why do you have to use obscure examples to prove a point sometimes? Yes there are women who like guys who fuck kids, who wear panties and who wear makeup. But I won't tell someone to do those things or use those as examples because generally that's not what happens and what attracts women.
Instead of using examples not relevant to PU, I will bring up a personal experience; the gang bang woman doing toilet cocaine. Her need was to feel negative emotions from a asshole male in order for her to get turned on. You combine that with cocaine and this woman was ready to do anything include group orgy gang bang. I found this disgusting since I was the one to pull her back. I am not suppose to be with her and I am content with that. There is PU thought here from guys like Fudge who believe essentially, you sprinkle game, and suddenly every woman is ready to have sex. As you stated, I wont change who I am or what I am about to accommodate women. I am not going to become that kind of man in order to sleep with more women. I wont do it.
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Why do you always focus on women using men in some way? In one breath you say Tyler is woman hating, yet use his women hating points of view. And these thoughts are coming from Tyler, a man who runs a pickup company, has incentive to lie to you, and whose reality if it is indeed going out 5 nights a week for whatever amount of years constantly, is a different lifestyle than most. That's not even a slight at tyler, you're the one who pointed out he has some twisted views.
It was if you read the post again in response to what you had said; that being "women want more." No. I am saying there is embedded misogyny in rsd. Lately, every since the JB shit storm, they have toned that down. Misogyny or not, the proof is out there, and in response to types of women I have come across, I linked you several who embody exactly what I am talking about. The one link included a woman who did a a handful of men bbc gang bang. Pics were linked to the thread. Apparently, a video is somewhere out on the web. Guaranteed, she is not spending thousands of dollars for PU BCs or instructor advice on how to pull. PU promotes that sort of introspection with men who typically are already way too into their head.
In reference to low level consciousness, this is what I am speaking about. In response to 007, the PU advice is usually not the least bit constructive nor productive. Its not like anything could be taken away or even suggestions provided for he could apply going forward. Even the youtube responses were about the same in value.
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Huh? I mentioned looks as one of other things that make a girl sleep with you. My other posts to the OP haven't even mentioned looks, I spoke about social skills. So I mention social skills, finding a coach, agree with another poster he should join clubs and make friends then a few posts later I list traits women find attractive for sex, looks being ONE point, and I'm obsessed about looks? Please, read my posts again before you get into obsession with looks.
I could be mistaken but, I counted a handful of times you kept bringing up his looks. As I stated, its not like he is about to do cosmetic surgery to look better. What is ironic is that, the amount of money people have spent on boot camps, they could have used on cosmetic surgery, and got better results.
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Look, the guy creeps girls out in his vids. He's not RB or a doucebag jock. He should approach, but not in such a creepy way. And it's not his routines, his normal conversation patterns are creepy. I don't know what he looks like, but that's not the big concern. It's how he talks to people.
Most men who turn to PU were creepy, introspective, and incapable with women. If I am to believe everything you say of your personal history with women, I am to believe you did not ever need PU cause you already had a fair bit of success with women. This is likely not 007 experience.
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Telling him kudos on approaching but work on the creepiness should not deter him from approaching and is not meant to by anyone here. Someone telling you nice outfit but your breath stinks is trying to help your bad breath.
My point is that, most who are commenting on youtube do not approach themselves, do PU or even go out. I brought up youtube to depersonalize the topic. Someone has already been spamming this thread and deterring from the topic who has been quoted as saying, they have not left their home this past month and yet, that same forum user has commented in here more times than anybody. It is ridiculous. Zyzz use to troll forums but, he got laid and gave advice. YaBoyDave was the biggest troll but, he pulled and made laughs. More inspiring in some ways since he actually said he was a forever aloner before. Not sure what changed for him? Time? Age? Life experience.
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You can say I dont give a fuck what people think of me, but you're just losing valuable feedback that can actually help you. You can be the badass with bad breath and keep offending people, or you could be the guy that buys some mints and keeps it moving.
I simply just do not care for validation or following the beaten path. I am torn. I was brought up with specific values, certain dating behaviors, and even years later, I am conflicted at times. Wait for sex? Pay for dinners? Use money to get women seems to be the message in society. Get married. Have a family. It is of course not promoted as men becoming manginas, raising children from other men as if they are their own, and being a utility or safe haven for women and their poor lifestyle choices. This does not depict every woman but, a great deal of them. Again, the current system does not provide the kind of stressors to provide a quality woman who is attractive, has her own ambitions, life goals, dreams, and morals. It is pretty much a license to kill.
007 should not give a single fuck what anybody including these girls think nor care for validation from anyone. Yes, listen to constructive feedback if valuable at all. Yes, learn from others where ever possible but, stay true to who you are.
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A guy like Alex who is fairly normal and in shape, telling you you are more than enough is bs. Far different from a socially awkward guy telling women their teeth are yellow or other awkward things. That's the same logic as when a guy asks if height matters, people say "no, look at Tom Cruise!" when the guy has 5% in common with TC.
Not sure where you are taking things with Alex. Other than, Alex is a fairly attractive guy yet on the shorter side of height. He is pretty normal, decent shape, a little on the shorter side in height but, he pulls a lot of girls. I met him a few times now. One other reason I think PU is a faulty system is all the trying rather then just being. I am not trying to get girls through PU. I am just being. In a moment; here and now, I see somebody I would like to know and I act upon that. I am sure there are bullshit routines, tactics, games or being a real asshole that may get me more women. I do not care to change nor practice bullshit.
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And yes, girls have it easier in many ways. If you're choosing a woman for her beauty, what does she get out of it? You better bring some humor, some money, some status, good genetics or something to get her.
A woman like K.K. is attractive but, she is far from what I deem as a wifey or even a girl I date. More like the trophy pull one night after a lot of partying. I value something else. Unfortunately, there are a lot of qualities that are valuable that make a woman even more attractive than simply how she looks. I agree with you on the trade off. While I do not agree with sexodus or mgtow, its the fact that they are like 007; awkward and despite their best efforts, not pulling nearly enough or at all. After she has burned through her beauty years. these men are now to become a utility to support her bad decisions, poor finances, aging physical form all of which she traded away to men who will not give her what she wants?
Something I have learned about PU and of society; we men tend to respect other men, value them more if they pull but, this is gynocentrism. This is valuing above all else what women want, desire, and accept. Men like Zyzz, Russell brand, YaBoyDave, AfcAdam, JB. We do not know of them because they changed the world, they cured cancer or ended hunger. They get laid. This is what we as a society value which stems from female entitlement.
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It's fair. Why should a girl choose a guy if he can't offer her anything...emotionally or financially or whatever?
I will return to your question but, I need to hit a few points. you stated not doing PU now while in a LTR. Fair enough. What is your long term goal with this woman? If she is in her mid or late twenties, she will want something like marriage and children at some point. Even if no children, she will want marriage and what will you say or do then?
If you were to lock down yourself or say, I were to do so, set PU aside, it would have to be worth it. The further I go down the rabbit hole, the farther away from every indulging in that white picket fence tale. The trade off is promoted as being love but, the majority of the experiences is a security for women. They want children, marriage, and a variety of other things. The trade off should be reasonable without possessions or materialism involved otherwise, something else is going on. Emotional? Like love?
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I can't get on the boat of saying you deserve a hot woman or any women if you're boring or don't have something to offer yourself. And sadly, being a guy with balls to approach or dedication to approach isn't what girls are attracted to, at least to some great extent.
Again, the first thing you went to is "hot" woman. It about her looks. It being about looks again. Yes, I agree with you on the point about fair exchange. Typically, this is not what happens though amongst the sexes. Sex is traded by women throughout their peak in youth. They than look to lock a man down on the tail end of their appearance most times.
Now, I did not make this personal but, you personalized it so, I will go there. Personally, it has never been about just looks for me with women. I want a person of quality meaning, she has some value rather than just the way she looks. I have been on a bunch of dates over the the past few weeks. As I stated before, each and every time, they were caught red handed with active dating accounts. This is again the passive dating rolling of women. This again is the cock carousel I speak of that women ride, trade, give away for free. Some of them I hooked up with. Some of them I did not. Some of them, I do not care to know or see again due to their lifestyle choices (wants babies now despite just meeting or gang bangs and toilet cocaine). What about a woman despite role models like KK actually has a brain, she reads something other than celebrity gossip and cosmo? Rather than saying she doesn't need a man, she actually is independent? What if instead of saying she is not a sloot, she just continues being a awesome human being and therefore, let it be self evident? I commend you on your relationship. I find it very cut throat with PU. I indulge and continue to enjoy every experience I have. One of my wings came to me and said, "most women our age are damaged." It was shocking to hear because he is a genuinely great guy who has had more LTR than myself and has been pulling quite a bit while single.
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Be funny, or be stylish, or be good looking, or be rich, or be powerful..,heck...be SOMETHING that girls find attractive.
this is not something I can agree with. It again goes back to what women want; gynocentrism, impress her. It being always about her. No mention of us. Despite being happy about my PU life experiences, enjoying every ounce of it, honestly, in rare instances have women matched my pace. I have seen a lot of weird and crazy. I have seen a lot of dark shit. In my experience, there is not that equal trade off and a new trend is developing. Women who proposition men (me). Women who promote fwb or gang bangs. Women who promote being hip, alternative and not needy. It never ends well.
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I've never fooled myself that when I slept with a girl she did so soley because of my balls to say open. This "you deserve a 10" is good for self esteem, but isn't enough. Let girls be with guys they find attractive in some way and if you have nothing to offer besides balls to approach, fix that.
Read Bonsai from TAF. You are someone's perfect person. Awesome read.
So, we all know 10 e standards are ridiculous and nobody here is pulling that. Moving on, again it has never been about that. Just not handling someone damaged.
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Tweak the shit that isn't working and don't take it personally. The way you're going has virtually no chance of success. It IS better than not approaching, but that's not an excuse to not change things.[/quote]