I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here but . . . the difference between discussing opposing ideas vs. discussing fantasies of retards is that different ideas can be clarified through discussion. On the other hand, as I tried to explain many times, the fantasies of retards can only lead to the repetition of the 5 steps I outlined.

Any how, if you are open to discussion:

I explained the WHAT. You assumed the WHY. The primary reason to be a progressive, successful individual is not the money itself. The main reason is that most of all the qualities required to be a progressive and successful are ATTRACTIVE qualities. Social ease, humor, leadership, organization, thoughtfulness, creativity, etc. . . Secondly, money itself is an important factor but not for the reasons you assumed. Read on and think about it:

I mentioned a few events so I will explain one. I hosted the party in Phnom Penh while I was involved in resource brokerage. I had access to a private club. (Sounds kinda weird if you don't know the culture/industry but many of these exist.) These properties are private compounds that are mainly used to host foreign contractors/politicians for private meetings. The one I had access to had 8 'bungalows' facing a center pool. A golf practice thing. . . a restaurant/bar/karaoke area, and two business office buildings. Sure, I told my guests that the room and board is on me while they are there but who can afford the time/money to travel over there for a weekend? Yeah, it's the people of the similar socio-economic class who are in Hokkaido the next month to snowboard. These people don't travel to "sarge" and "fuck each other"; the idea is to have fun. This is really no different than a bunch of adventurous average folks who go on camping trips or fishing trips together. *If you are a socially active person, then this is you destination; you will be spending a lot of time with folks who share your interests. If you are going to charity/fund raisers, it's because you already did a job of socializing with this group one way or another.

The "mingling" of the same socio-economic class is not limited to the wealthy. . . Every group tends to spend time with others who are of the same class. It's simple math; you can't keep up with those who spend too much and why would you slum it if you didn't have to? (Slumming it = different things to different people)

You believe that women get turned on the same way you get turned on. You see pussy, you get a boner. She sees dick, she gets wet. This is simply untrue. We are turned on by the here and now. We see a fat chick who claims she will lose weight in 6 months and we tell her, "See you in 6 months." Women love the process. They love the dream. They love the fantasy. Are there cases of women diggers who strike it rich? Of course. Are there cases of women digging for coal and will consider a downgrade? You are proof that this exists. But before you get giddy over realities that exist on the outer edges of the statistical bell curve and your belief that a good "orgasm" is the solution for all things PU, I'd urge you to think more about the qualities that you posses/demonstrated that attracted your current girlfriend to you; work on those qualities further. She might use different language during little spats but . . . nothing creates more disdain than a belief that somebody is draining your shit.

*How do you suppose we can make a logical discussion as ^this in regards to sarging in banks? All you can do is what I wrote initially. "No." But as chronic liars will do, they will continue to lie and expand upon their fantasies, creating further BS discussions and generally creating a circus show of the thread.

You're still talking about men as providers, not men as casual fucks. I expose myself to different situations because I seek out more diverse experiences and i like challenging myself. Club game gets boring after a while, I crave quiet sober conversation. But 99% of guys stay in their comfort zone and wouldn't even think of going to a charity ball. The point is, anybody could do it. All you need is a suit and a ticket. Believe it or not, it's a lonely place for women at the top of society. Their husbands are away a lot and when they are home, many are shit in the sack because they've spent their lives honing business not bedroom skills. So actually, yes it is how wet you make her pussy. The only reason why more guys don't do what I've done is because most are content with meeting girls in bars.

It's all about entitlement. I feel entitled to date any woman regardless of her social background if I find her attractive enough. You sound like you don't like the idea that a lowly normal guy like me can get hot wealthy women. You are making the mistake of being a snob. You sound like you categorise women based on their socio-economic status. I've learned something new about myself from every girl I've ever dated, some were on welfare, some wealthier than me like my current GF.

Your Rolex example is no different from the muscle-head gym freaks who think you need a Porsche to get girls. Peacocking to "earn" attention from women. It's really fucking desperate and sad, dude. The reason why my current GF liked me is because I came in off the radar and was never eager to please her or shower her with expensive shit. She had to earn my affection, not vice versa.

And can we please have a discussion without you bringing up "liars"?

Ok let me give you and Kasabi the benefit of doubt here. Let's say I accept the premise that "birds of a feather flock together". What then? How does it help you as a PUA to believe that you need to be rich in order to get rich women? The Rolex analogy is simply a limiting belief. There are already thousands of excuses we fabricate to justify not approaching, so stop providing more excuses. Even if we accept the idea that social classes are segregated, it's a bad mindset to have as a PUA. If something doesn't help you, get rid of it. A self-limiting belief will never help you in any way, so get rid of it, even if it's true. Saying all women are horny 24/7 is a lie, but is it a good mindset that will help you get laid? Fuck yes.

If you can show drive and ambition, it doesn't matter how much money you got. My GF doesn't see me as a drain on her resources, she actually wants to invest in my music career and help me expand into business with her.

Besides, big money can attract bad women / gold-diggers.

There's a reason why I mentioned Casanova and Rasputin because I know Kasabi is going to argue this way sooner than later. This is a myopic view of human societies and interaction in general.

Casanova wasn't rich at all and yet he kept on banging rich, high status women wherever he went.

Moreover, women are just like men. When they see a hard cock, their pussies get wet. Men also get their dicks hard with sexual fantasies and so does women getting their pussies wet on sexual fantasies. I don't get a hard on when I see a bunch of money in front of me nor will women get their pussy wet seeing cash in front of them. The idea that women get their pussy wet when they see money or a Rolex watch is just plain retarded.

A guy, rich or poor, who can make a woman's pussy wet, rich or poor, will get to bang her.

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I think a better title for this thread should have been "Does anyone who is not wealthy, have CONSISTENT success picking up wealthy girls?"
I'm so confused

I found this change in details rather amusing. First, you mentioned the Phnom Phen water festival. Here's a glimpse on what goes on in that event:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phnom_Penh_stampede

http://www.cambodiadaily.com/archives/p ... ing-44459/

A festival SPAM is simply NOT congruent with a private party. I stand by my assertion that it's too fucking dangerous to sarge 'wealthy' women on a bicycle and Rolex in a very poor country. Besides, the barriers to entry to field test Kasabi's method is just too damn steep and expensive.

So now we have to organize a private party secured by first class bodyguards in a gated community to be able to sarge wealthy women? That's just TOO fucking fantastic!

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Another element not really being discussed here Kasabi is, what makes you believe that wealthy women are more attractive? This pedestal mentality is yet another limiting belief. We men do not seek women to be providers, therefore her wealth should be irrelevant. Your snobbery on this is perplexing to say the least. Looking down on poor people will not help you get laid.

Haha neo, well... as you can see there is enough limitation of examples !!! not to put any further conditions on it...

Again, I hope nobody is a fool here, and we are not going to generalize specific examples. Yet, by the laws of logical inductions.. only 1 guy saying "I had at least one success banging a girl much wealthier than I am" is enough to prove that you don t need to earn the same money / have the same money in a bank account to bang one...

Again, I repeat to re-centre the post, by "WEALTHY" what I really mean (and yes this would have been way too long to put in the post title lol) is way wealthier than you are (and "way" is down to your definition... depends mostly on your location on the bell curve). Earning 3 times more is certainly a feat (even though I agree in some industries, like banking, 100k is not wealthy, associates start earning that kind of fixed salary nowadays, even after the crisis ; but in no way I am trying to put down Hunter example, it works).

Also I would tend to think (am theorizing cos I must admit I don t have experience, since I am setting myself a new goal) that wealthy women, just like any other women, differentiate between mates for fun/sex and mates for marriage... and yet since they are emotional creatures, getting a foot in the door and accessing on a regular basis girls that are "wealthy" by your standards, is like setting a foot in the door, for later long term successes...

Other than that, great post from Hunter Fox, about limitating beliefs. If you think you can not sarge in a bank, then you are right, you can not sarge in a bank. If you think you can, then you are also right, you probably can... Most guys would look at that chick with the millionaire celebrity, and think "if only I was a millionaire celebrity"... prime example of limitating belief. Well done Hunter Fox that is the kind of attitude of Artists against all the rest...

Charities make sense.. altho the entry price won t be the same if you go on a regular basis... I have checked the conditions of a posh private bank in my city and was very surprised (altho my feel is when people have money on their mind, they will be rather closed to meeting people...) to learn that there was no deposit floor ! at least one benefit from the famous HH post hahah

Wealthy girls have more possibilities to improve their looks, they can go more often to beauty center,buy better beauty products ...

They can leverage better their look,that will in fact transform their appearence, im not saying that other girls cannot ,but its not so easy to get good beauty SPAM/clothes so often , simply mathematic calculation .

Dont be blind guys,pleaseeeeeeee.

You're right. Hunter_Foxe is one of the more positive masculine influences around here. Moreover, a lot of us make excuses not to sarge. We make reasons like...

1. I need to save up for a Rolex first before I can sarge that hot, rich girl.

2. I need to organize a private party at a posh village first.

The list goes on.

If you have a suit, well put it on and go to that Charity Ball that's just 10 or 15 minutes away. As long as you're not required to pay $1,000 to get in, then you're good.

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Are you seriously suggesting that rich women are physically more attractive than middle class women?

Fuck no.
But a young girl if u put fucking money on her will turn more beatiful, if a girl comes from a rich family has more opportunities to "take care" of her self.

Fuck,i come from a rich family(im the only one not rich),i know what the fuck im talking about,to make an example,a friend of me when turned 21 got a Porsche Panamera as birthday present.

Hallo????
Are you kidding?

Those PUA books are messing with your head guys.
My humble advise: work for your future and have a goal ,a dream, womans are faaar less important than you think.

Develop yourself , fuck!

A few lines/neg/amog/creepy eye contact/ dhv/creepy robot body posture ,in the long run won't save you from hell.......and life

I'm a weekly bank sarger. The rich women in banks look somewhat similar to these women: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/gi ... 6365254014

Of course, Paris Hilton is an exception rather than the rule. Rinehart's daughter looks hot though: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/1931 ... art-trial/

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Nobody here is arguing against developing himself. I'm working towards wealth as much as the next guy. My only question is, why wait until you've "made it" before you approach women? If I'd spent my 20s working harder, no partying and no girls, sure, I'd have more money by now. But I would absolutely SUCK with women.

Am I supposed to be impressed by your friend's Porsche? Haha. How sad. To be so reliant on approval and validation from people below you;... it must be such a lonely place to be

I don't even need to open your links.


Why are you sarging in Banks(wich is not true,i know)?
Why don't you go for hotter womens?Don't you like hot womens?are you gay?

Maybe you need to find a provider?

If that's the case, stop bragging that you're ''the Alpha''/''Man with the balls''/''Confident Silvester Stallone because in reality you are just a fucking pussy, P-U-S-S-Y.

Instead of becoming a man and get your shit togheter,you want to become a fucking leech.

If my daughter were going out with someone that lives like you, i would fucking kill both of them.


All of this stuff is an IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.