The whole point most people got into pua is because they give a shit. If you did not give a shit you would not be on the forum asking for/or giving advice. You would not be trying to learn new things. You would not be trying to improve yourself. Basically the whole point of all of this is caring.

Everyone told me not to be outcome dependent. This was my biggest mistake early in the game. When I failed I just didn't care because I shouldn't be dependent on the outcome. I just got fed up. Basically the moment I started caring if I succeed at what I do and started approaching the game the same way I would do any other thing in my life that is important. I got results. Example Supporting what kasabi's said... I play rugby. I do not see the point in running around the field tired to death and getting up at 5 to gym so that I can, on game day, act as if it doesn't really matter if we win.

I agree you cannot let your opinion of yourself depend on the outcome.
However that is not outcome dependent. If you fail ask yourself why and work on that.
Not caring will just put the idea in your mind that she probably had a bad day and you are still the smoothest peanut in the packet(This occurs a lot when your ego is involved)

The I don't give a shit mentality is basically just a way saying do not be phased by shit tests flakes jealousy plots etc. And this works...but it should just be taken literally to a certain extent, and there should be a line where you start giving a shit. However, you can't just tell someone just don't give a shit and expect them to do well.

The biggest problem on this forum mainly is people asking undetailed questions Like I have met this girl and I think she likes me what do I do next?
And people giving general advice... Dress nice. Take her to some place fun.

It has become more of a battle to who has the best advice, and in stead of trying to give the best advice you can give, people give reasons why any other advice someone gives isn't as goo

All this "philosophy bullshit" is the base of inner game. It gets you in the right mind set. With the right mindset it is much more easier to establish a bullshit filter of what would work and whatnot. Thats why the main problem with MM was that the guys focused on outer game and planned the conversation ahead. When the conversation didn't go as planned they were screwed because they suddenly had nothing to go on. With the rightmindset it is much easier to adapt to situation and learn to be calibrated(see adam lyons for calibration)

And Skills. By your repeated attempts to prove you are right. You basically prove that you do give a fuck.

P.S And I am really not trying to post this as it not related but it's irritating. It is THREAD with a "D" not THREAT.---If you feel guilty while reading the last sentence it is aimed at you.

According to my understanding of clinical psychology research, there are three aspects of change: affect, cognition, and behavior. Many people in this 'community' years ago did behavior modifications only and wondered why things weren't as good as they imagined. I think they realize what most people eventually do, that things in life are much more interconnected than we may realize. Worldviews and beliefs end up manifesting themselves in the way we communicate and behave. That 'philosophical bullshit' is a very useful tool in changing behaviors, when used effectively and in combination with affective and behavioral strategies. It's easy to dismiss these strategies once you've already achieved things, but it's ineffective to give people the advice you'd give yourself. They aren't at point Z yet, they are just learning the alphabets.

I agree with most of the stuff you said... We are saying kind of the same thing.... i appreciate your spelling help, i do not feel guilty i feel appreciation...Thanks for the contribution, and is a discussion you are taking the don't i care out of context, the i do not care if you re-read is when it comes to pick up, no when it comes to personal life or discussing a subject in a forum.... It has been explained 50 times... And cause it did not work for you, is cause you were faking trying not to care you were not being your true self, it takes a lot of time and continues successes for that to happened, eventually your game will get there were is automatic and flowing, no need for routines..

You cant do it in my way or use my personality, I do a million other things that doesnt show in writing. Tonality, proximity, bodylanguage, context, a bunch of inner game, reputation, humor, etc etc. So you see, what can look like sexual assault in writing may actually be a pickuproutine.

Most of the bad advice on this forum comes from confusion between cause and effect.

A successful player does many things. Some of those things elevated him to the success he has. Other things are effects of being successful for so long.

Not giving a shit is an effect of success. You get this quality from having abundance whether you like it or not. It isn't a teaching point.

The above quote is spot on except for the part in bold. Substitute the 'Not giving a shit' with 'non-neediness, or confidence or self belief' and we're probably closer to the truth.

This is exactly why Kasabi entitled this thread, 'Not giving a shit' instead of 'Not trying to suck up to a girl.' Words/definitions are important. If we pay attention to language we realise nothing is by accident and EVERYTHING has purpose or meaning. If you follow Kasabi's threads ALL of you will realise that everything he writes, from the choice of words to paragraph styling has a purpose - This is no accident.

Now if we can understand why 'Not giving a shit' is DIFFERENT from 'not trying to suck up to a girl' we can understand the logical conclusion skills360 has come to.

SKills360 is absolutely right in the conclusion he draws... It's just he has assumed 'Not giving a shit' is the same as 'not trying to suck up to a girl.' Again it is this mis-perception that is the mantra of all the clueless PUA's.

You see 'Non-neediness' IS an effect of success. And it IS a quality from having abundance. And this abundance only comes from setting goals/target. If you have a, 'Do NOT give a shit' mentality about your goals or targets... Guess what? You won't achieve them. And therefore having abundance will not be attainable.

On discovering Pick-up. Guys tend to experience two things. They are super nice... but find they are not getting anywhere. So they intuitively decide to 'Not give a shit.' (This is in fact worse) The blip in the matrix is that it is this mentality which women mistakenly associate with self confidence - confidence is very attractive, in reality CONFIDENCE is what the woman was actually attracted to.

Trouble is a few guys will think it was their 'NOT GIVING A SHIT' attitude which actually got them laid and continue to pursue this mentality. I mean - even I've been there. 'Hey look at me, I get action all the time, I'm popular.' It even got me a date with a girl I really liked.

The trouble was I had NOTHING to back up that mentality. I had NO great social circle of friends, I had no real ambition.

Gee women are great at reading people... gotta love them. And as such the charade was over no sooner than it had begun.

Guys instead of pretending to be awesome, why not just BE awesome!?

This mindset only comes from goal/setting and certainly does NOT come from 'Not giving a shit.'

Hell, just look in the Journal section. Look at the guys who 'give a shit' and the guys that don't. Then measure their success comparatively... I don't know about you but I know which type of guy I'm trying to become.

I have never seen a panhandler who is good with women. The naturals that I see are fairly successful in their line of work, business, or sports. These naturals are the alpha males in the strict scientific context of alpha males based on published studies in primatology.

Based on the posts here, I sense that the PUA community somehow needs a code of ethics in our PUA careers. I think that the PUA community is pretty diverse. Some maybe successful in their careers or businesses while some may be not. You can tell a lot from their posts and mindsets.

Personally, I give a shit in keeping a relationship and leaving a girl better than when I found her. However, I don't give a shit about anybody's negative opinion about me but I do give a shit about negative feedback for the purpose of continuous improvement. I can think critically for myself hence I know when and when not to give a shit.

I am of the strong opinion that most of us here can think critically for ourselves except for the extremely lovestruck ones. In this case, we are all here to help them out because we have been there and we know it sucked. In the end, we all DO give a shit. Profound, eh?

Pimps(only with the pimp argument i more than destroy the kasabi post, go to google and go to a escort website, with hb 10s all over, they are being fucked by a loser pimp, for free, the guy that taught me game former male escort and pimp), drug dealers and drug heads, some gangasters, a lot of the rsd members etc.

I have multiple drug sales felonies, and my game comes natrualy, I have never used caned lines, I was surprised when I ran into this forum and started reading it because everything on here I already did natrually. I fucked up many times before trial and error, but learned from it. Sometimes experiencing life gives you the best game.

i more than destroy the kasabi post