Showing women in school that you are preselected by having girls kiss you and leaving lipstick residue? yikes. careful that you don't become THAT guy. I know a certain mpua put this idea out there... but it works for him. That stuff doesn't work for everyone. Girls in school have a bit of a different mindset.

On to your question without judging you anymore:
That line is fine... because it's supposed to shock the girl with the whole gay implication and break her out of routine and yadda yadda.... but that line is fine in a different environment than a school. I'd bet you money that it just gets gay rumors started. (Talk about environmental obstacles... school is fucking nuts. At least if I do something weird while trying something out in a bar, I can just leave and it's not a problem.)

You said you've field tested that line. I obviously haven't. How did it go for you?

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I don't qualify myself. It's a frame thing.
Okay, I like that. Just be prepared that a crazy girl will think that by saying you thought her mother looked so much more "fit" that means you meant she looked "unfit" last time and that's insulting her mother and bla bla bla. If you get that response, you wouldn't want her anyway

Go for it.

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Yes. They are hard. Depends on the person.
I only do long distance relationships because I want my guys out of the way most of the time... but that's a quirk, I think. Girls can get tricky, distrustful, bored, or cheat. Men can do the same thing. A LDR is a catalyst that brings out the scary wuss monster in all of us.

Plus, this is existentialist, but stay with me:

When you're talking on the phone, you're talking to a phone. Not a person. There's a reason that children who grew up with a mother that held them all the time are more "humanist" than those who grew up with a POS mom. Phones help us further objectify other people. There's something about connecting with a human being constantly through actual contact.

I think this is true, but I like objectifying people. Works for me. jk
Of course, you should get to the point where you can naturally flow a conversation and keep it interesting no matter what because you are an interesting person... but until then:

1.) STORYTELLING is the greatest skill you can arm yourself with as a PUA. Learn from the greats. Read. Watch characters in movies that are always the center of a conversation. Here's a trick: Prepare ahead of time and mentally anchor five kick-ass stories about you/others/historical/funny/whatever on your fingers. (this also works out in the field.) I'll mentally place this really kick ass DHV story on my index finger, a great joke about killing kittens on my middle finger, an interactive story questioning the mentality of ninjas on my ring finger... etc. You've got a hand-full of tricks in case you feel an awkward silence coming on. It's all about preparation.

2.) This is a more advanced technique when you finally get past the BS: It's called Patterning. It's the technique I've developed and use all the time. I'll be posting it soon in my member journal, that is, when the time is right
You are actually in luck because I'm also a dance teacher. Try this first... make sure that your frame is strong (yes, it's the same damn terminology... except in dance... your frame is your arm alignment in conjunction with body placement and bla bla bla.)

The girl will probably know to support herself and share support with you. Try holding the girl's right hand with your left hand... both facing the same way... twirl her in so that your arm is wrapped around her, use your right hand to catch her upper back when she's in... and slightly dip her backwards... supporting her shoulder blades with your right palm.

The first time I see you... I'll teach you the more advanced shit. The death drop always gets the girls

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Dude, you don't want to AMOG him but you might want to try DHVing, becoming an excellent storyteller, learning improvisational skills, leaving the set and coming back to regain footing over the set (ejecting and coming back from a different angle,) using some cold reading techniques (girls always want to learn more about themselves,) gaining social proof from other girls... using them as pawns... and then coming back into the set, and the list goes on and on.
Do I think I could... yes. Do I think I would... absolutely not. Personally, I've figured out that my game works better if I hold my sexuality just out of a guy's grasp until way after he earns it.

He can ask. Actually, I will expect a guy to want to kiss me. Of course, I'm not going to let it happen. It's the sad dance we all dance because we're so sexually retarded. Point being... as long as you're not skeevy about asking a girl to kiss you, don't feel bad when you get rejected. She will probably give you a second chance. Unless you're being skeevy. Then she'll get grossed out.

Story: I met a group of wanna-be PUA's in the South over Thanksgiving. One of them talked to me for a while, and it was going fine until he asked me for a kiss on the cheek. I obliged, and he turned his head and kissed me on the mouth. I was so disgusted... because he stole what was mine to give away. Bad move.

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I am impressed by the quality of knowledge that is being shared by an insider. I found this post very inciteful.

Zip - If its not too late , would you mind continuing the train of thought you began here :
1)What specific methods do you use to ALPHA(is this the right word im looking for) the other woman?

2)As a man , what can I look for to know if 2 girls are competing for me? (I doubt they would make really obvious gestures , like hair pulling and uppercuts)

That'll be all.

Peace.

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Among our structurally closest analogues- the primates- the male does not feed the female. Heavy with young , making her way laboriously along , she fends for herself. He may fight to protect her or to possess her , but he does not nurture her.

I field tested this once with a girl who is really down to earth. By calibrating I would only ask to the girls who has higher percentage of following through with the kiss. I will be moving to NYC in a year, I feel that's where it's at for me. This small town everyone knows everyone (or seen them around), which makes it hard to game with this method.

As you said trying something weird you can leave the bar without problems. People don't know who you are or might never see you again. Here it is totally different, they can be in my class, or a friend of a friend rumors and such.

Like for an example. In my math class I am top 3, and I am friend with the other two. People hate us for being able to solved any mathematical equations. Already a bad vibe in the class.

thanks for answering these Zip

1) What are some of the most common mistakes / misconceptions you see in the field with beginning and intermediate PUAs?

2) What are some things that a PUA does that make you immediately think to yourself 'wow this guy knows what he's doing'

3) Exactly how important are looks? Assume PUA is somewhat attractive, well groomed ... but nowhere near Brad Pitt. PUA text tells us grooming and style are all that matter in this area but I've heard women say stuff like (to girlfriend) "even if I'm drunk just let me go with him if he's hot" .. and "he's so hot I just wanted to jump him". Is this just a result of modern pop culture?

4) Besides the main: leader, preselected, protector, emoter ... Compared to these how important are these 4: humor, congruence, ability to keep the conversation going, being challenging? Any others missing that are crucial?

Dont be too hard on yourself about this whole qualifying thing no one is perfect..

as far as your advice..we'll take it into consideration lol.. but if there is anything that could be improoved i would love to hear about it

One of the most common misconceptions I see in beginning and intermediate PUAs is that they are "too good" to try out canned material. I'm all for a more natural or self-produced style... but you have to learn the rules first in order to break them. It's a journey. Same goes for PUA literature. If you're too good to learn the history of the community and to be aware of what methodologies are out there... you'll never get farther than your own narcissism.
If he can coordinate his body language to mirror his phase shifts and transitions... I know that this guy is good.
Looks are important to women because they like trophies. If you're a well-put together lad with the ability to flip attraction switches... looks don't necessarily matter. I'll walk into a bar, and immediately focus on the best looking guys there. However, I'll forget all about them if a guy can really blow me away with his personality.
Those are all extremely important... however, congruence is more for you than for her. Other things that are important: being extraordinary (not mediocre) and having sexual undertones while not being skeevy.

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What I mean is that I will pattern the other girl and the guy. I'll step back from the situation for a second, identify her "patterns," good and bad, and how he responds to them. By first figuring out her weaknesses in communicating with him, I become the "solution" he is looking for. I become a diametrically opposed alternative, and he starts to become more interested in me as a direct result.
Patterning. It really is the best way to handle things. Also, I become more of a mystery/interest for the guy because I don't give it all away.
1.) The two girls will pay more attention to the other girl than you while the three of you are together. I don't necessarily mean what she's saying... I mean her body language and her non-verbal communication.
2.) If you're alone with one of them, she will trash talk the other in a backhanded compliment sort of way.... or she will blatantly trash talk her.

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PLEASE guys, PLEASE, for your own sake, TAKE NOTE OF THIS.

This is a good lesson for everyone: Be careful. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, especially if you're asking for more. I'd say that is just a general principle to learn in life. Certainly apply it to the other mods/teachers on the forum. Absolutely apply it to any mPUAs or Gurus giving a workshop.

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ZIP

A girl hesistates about saying she has a b/f, what does this mean was she lying or just implying that no im not interested this happened to me the other day, and my gut instinct told me she was lying.. because an honest girl wouldnt hesistate would they?

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Dude, she's probably lying. She's doing this because she feels like you're hitting on her. The other option is that she likes you so much, she doesn't want to run you off by telling you that she has a boyfriend.... which situation makes more sense to you? The former... right?

It's a shield she's throwing up. You need to redirect your attack, get her guard down, and blast through the bitch shield.

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I thought so, and Ill blow thru that shield again, next time a girl does that Ill call her out on it..

So that leads to my next question what if you call her out on it, and your right, has this every happened to you? Has a guy blew thru your bitch shield

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