MY understanding is that you are in a relationship were you are allowed to actively sleep with other people while not negatively effecting the relationship.

What I am saying is that by allowing this to happen both you and your current lover are being subjected to the possibility of finding a better matching partner by your actions, which in my opinion is a negative impact on a relationship.

Finally there is NO persecution as I would be a hypocrite if I was to criticise your sexual and relationship choices, the one thing I stressed at the end is that there will never be only one way to be sexual or in a relationship there are too many different people in the world, monogamy is just the most common ... but also the most deviated from on occasion. Do what you will, but it will continue to be discussed!

Id punch her in the belly

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not if you are poly-whatever .. grab a straw and suck it up .... by the way don't think about sex ... or you can just ignore the fact and make a jizz smoothie in her vagina.

there is no enlightment .. saying the word is total nonsense... everything can work and everything can be enlightment. What works for one doesn't work for someone else.

don't trust people who promise enlightment....
don't seek enlightment...rather seek out new experiences .. just live life.
People are never happy.. so called gurus are just so stuck in one mindset.... i once thought i was enlightened and that i had found the perfect way.. one year later i learned new stuff that made me believe that my old ideas were false.

look im not against poly-whatever .. i would fuck woman who are poly-whatever .. i just don't want relationships with them. Maybe im getting sick of girls having boyfriends lol...if they are poly we got more to fuck so....

when it comes to game i prefer poly-woman + 1
when it comes to relationships i prefer to be monogamous +1

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Due to life and location changes. (I.e. graduating from HS and going to college, graduating from college and moving to a new city and such)

Out of the various multi-relationships I was in, only 2 of them ended in ireconcilable differences. The rest just progressed through phases and simply ended. Ultimately none of the girls involved were 100% compatible with me and it was all experimentation. Had one or more of them been a perfect fit, I'm sure it would have lasted.

And as for manjizz in your turf... just have to change the way you think about it. When you meet HB10,000 at the club and you are enamored with her every aspect, she also comes with a past. That past included manjizz all up in her shit from every angle. So what's the difference? Whether it happend 15 minutes before you met her the first time, or 15 minutes before she meets you for that dinner date, or 15 minutes before you get home from work 6 months in. It was there, you just never thought about it.

Sex is a fact of life, better to accept that it happens all around you and most often with out you. Guys who foolishly think girls stop having sex the second you walk in the door are just foolish. You will be happier and a better PUA if you just learn to accept it and not care.

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lol it depends how OLD THAT MANJIZZ IS ! you know what i mean !

but it's true .. some hot girls who are into relationship will have multiple relationships before getting into one with you. It's irrelevant how many dick woman got in the past !

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The fuck is this? Polyamory is simply having multiple partners. If you are in an open relationship and are taking advantage of the fact, that is polyamory. Now, if you are in a relationship that both parties agree to it being open for whatever reason, and for whatever other reason, nobody is taking advantage of the fact, it is a monagamish relationship (a term coined by sex columnist Dan Savage).

You over thought the shit out of this, sir.

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Monogamish... until now, I have known no word so fitting for such a relationship! Thank you Dan Savage

Hey man,

And how did you get to this conclusion exactly? Is it the rising divorce rates? The amount of cheating going on? The amount of money people spend each year on couples therapy, sex toys, role playing costumes, Viagra - trying to "fix" their relationships.

If that was our core - such behaviors were the exception, not the rule.

What about all the biological evidence that the shows exactly the opposite, that we are NON monogamous?

You feel most attached to someone when exclusive because your mind obsess about that one person. I felt the same about my Nikon D90. I loved my camera... now I have a Canon 5D too... mmmm, now my "obsession" about photography is split between two cameras. Big deal. That doesn't show anything man.

But it's no wonder... you've been indoctrinated from a young age to hold this belief.

I copy this from another thread:

How I realized that something is "wrong" with my monogamous POV:

Looking at other girls in the street even that I have "my own girl". Wanting to have sex with other girls. Fighting over shit that doesn't make sense. Having crushes on other girls and having emotions towards a few women in the same time. Wanting to jerk off even after having sex with my partner... and many other things, I can't turn this into a Phd thesis but anyway, nothing matched that picture of "love" that we grow up believing in, a picture which is very romantic and "beautiful".

Then you become older, you start talking with your buddies and it turns out that EVERYBODY is facing with the same problems and issues. Non existing sex lives, dysfunction, unhappiness... then you start reading on the subject of sex / relationships / evolutionary biology and start putting all the pieces together.

Then one day you wake up - oh my god - monogamy and love, and all the constructions around them like LTRs, marriages, sex advise on TV, Disney movies, Romantic songs on the radio, etc etc etc have NOTHING to do with our true nature - we are NON MONOGAMOUS creatures who are indoctrinated to believe that we are monogamous due to social / historical reasons.

Sperm Wars - 90% or 99% of our sperm is designed to attack the sperm of other men and are unable to penetrate the egg.

WHY? What does that mean?

It can only mean that in "nature" women were being sexed by multiple partners in a very short time period and the selection of which sperm will penetrate the egg was made internally in the woman's vagina (based on DNA match and other factors) That is why women can achieve multiple orgasms - they were "designed" to have sex with a few men one after the other. That's why they are also so laud when they orgasm - they are signaling the other men "I'm ready - come over".

How the HELL do you explain Sperm Wars otherwise??? Here - you come with an alternative option... OK?

So if we are "designed" to have multiple partners, for hundreds of thousands of years, and then society comes and about 10,000 (or even much less... maybe 3000?) years ago decides that we should be monogamous (so private property can be accumulated and TAXED, before that everything belonged to everybody in the tribe) - so what do you think this unnatural construction that goes against our biology will result with?

With what?

With EVERYTHING you see around you. High divorce rates, sex crimes, unhappiness, sexual dysfunctions, men cheat on their wives, women cheat on their husbands... swingers, couple swapping... you name it. This explains EVERYTHING.

Sperm wars is just one example - GO READ THE BOOK, I won't argue with anyone who hasn't read the book....


So... in conclusion - what's sad? That everything around us is a lie, that we are being fed a fantasy from a young age, that the "beautiful" ideal of love and relationships we grow on are nothing but a social construction invented for the sole purpose of (drums rolling) - taxing property - MONEY.

If that's not sad I don't know what is.

And then, when you realize all this, you start to ask yourself questions - should I ever get married? Should I even try to be in a LTR? Should I ever start a family? Should I find a bi sexual woman so we can spice up our sex-lives with other partners? Or maybe an open relationship? How would I deal with jealousy? Ployamory?

Or maybe I should REPRESS all this information and LIVE A LIE like the rest of humanity? Find a girl, get married, start a family... then after 2 years we will start to have "problems" like every couple... so we will go to therapy and we will watch porn together, and role play, and do all these silly games to try to make our relationship "work" and better our sex lives. Or we will just stop having sex (the average for married couples is TEN TIMES A YEAR) , and I will cheat on her, or she will cheat on me... like so many other couples... and then I'll be guilty because I'm a good Jewish boy, and I will start hating myself, I will develop cancer.... Or she will catch me, and divorce me, take the kids, the house, the dog...

I honestly can't say I know ANY married couples who are happy. And if there are such couples - they the exception. It's a constant struggle, uphill, against your own nature, for the rest of your life.

No thanks.

P.S - if you haven't been in a LTR of at least three years, during adulthood (I'd say age 22 and up) you simply have no way of knowing what I'm talking about and your opinion simply doesn't count... it's not an "opinion" issue, just experience which cannot be translated into words, cannot be learned, cannot be duplicated...

Go around, ask people who are in LTRs how they are doing. But dig DEEP, find out the truth. Most people care only what other people think of them, not reality. Most people also repress the real state of their own relationship.


I met a girl who told me that her parents are "in love" and have a great relationship... I went deeper - turns out the father is at home just 3-4 times a week

My parents know this ONE couple who is really happy. They are MAD about each other.... swingers.

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so you read a book...and it makes sense to you ?

all that evidence is collected by looking at behaviours of humans and animals in general. They didn't looked at DNA and said like '' hey this is the gene that contradicts monogamy''

what the hell is new about this sperm wars thingy ? fungi and bacteria attack spermcells as well. the fantasies you get fed at young age doesn't concern me at all .. i rather concern about forced expansionism religions and that kind of shit. The fantasy about marriage and happy life isn't such bad fantasy..

yeah there is alot of unhappiness .. but don't forget to notice alot of happiness as well. It's not what other people in books think or do...you should decide for yourself what feels good for you - regardless of facts and wild claims. i know alot of married happy couples...

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OK man, I respect that. Just do me a favor hold off wedding / kids until 2-3 years into the relationship because that's when the chemical known as "love" fades away http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4478040.stm and the real relationship begins.

no .. just let them marry and let them make mistakes .. they will learn from it and they will grow as a person. Relationships will not kill you .. you can only kill yourself

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Dude... WHAT are you talking about?

Once you have a child with someone - it's DONE, game over. It's a life long commitment, full time, your entire life becomes that baby boy / girl . It's not something you can undo. Having a child with the "wrong" person is not a "mistake" you learn from, it's life long imprisonment.

By the way, about sperm wars, I'm not sure you understood me - so bacterias kill bacterias, fine... but if sperm is designed to kill other sperm, it means that sperm from two (or more) men is meant to be there in the same time... if we are monogamous by nature, why would sperm from two men would be inside a woman's body in the same time?

oh i misread your text .. yeah getting children with someone is a terrible thing in a short relationship.. bout the sperm thingy.. haha i agree but i don't want to think about it . now i feel terrible for killing alot of people

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haha..... millions of them!

You know what's funny? Get this:

When a woman in on the pill it throws off her hormonal system... and so she is attracted to men she would normally not be attracted to.

So she is on the pill and meets someone, they get into a relationship... they stay together for a couple of years and get married.

Then they decide they want kids so she goes off the pill. Her hormonal system goes back to normal and she wakes up one morning to discover that the man she married is not the man she would be attracted to under "normal" conditions. She hates the guy.

But guess what? They are now married and she is pregnant

True story, happens about 50,000 times a day.