Fair enough. I also don't intend to put a moral, right or wrong, stamp on this, but I wonder what the favor is, if the guy never finds out? (I assume you don't tell the boyfriend, in order to actually follow through on the "favor.") Maybe this is over-extending the point a bit.


A few posters (sorry, I can't find the original texts) have stated that they wouldn't sleep with a girl who is dating their friend, but they would sleep with a girl who is dating a stranger. Why the distinction? Is a stranger less deserving of your respect in this regard?

Well put, Fin! I suppose I would never knowingly increase emotional pain in this world by my own hand. Sure, maybe the guy does need to know his girl isn't honoring her word of exclusivity to him... maybe that is the best thing for him. But odds are, if and/or when he finds out, he is going to be in a lot of emotional pain. I try to avoid causing others pain if the difference is more or less the same to me. As in, I can usually turn around and talk to a single girl instead. That's how I keep my own shit straight.

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Okay then I'll clear this out. If I had a chance to sleep with a friend's gf I would refuse her, then tell my friend he's living with a slut. If I have a chance to sleep with a stranger who's just told me she's got a boyfriend I don't give a crap. She could lie and also neither she, or her bf is part of my life so sleeping with her, if we both keep it discreet, will not cause any problems. I don't usually boast about sleeping with a girl especially if she's got a boyfriend. She might tell it, but then again it's not really me who will have problems afterall it was not me who cheated, so it's really her choice. However I wouldn't let some slut just cheat on my friend, and "bros before hoes", which I strictly follow to avoid complications, and because I believe in it prevents me from sleeping with a friend's LTR.

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What I like in life is nothing more but living it.

If I'm honest.

This whole thing of me hating and despising you as an individual has been quite surreal.

I don't find your posts any more or less annoying than anyone else who argues the same rhetoric as you, as I said. I find your beliefs on the subject to contain an over-inflated ideal of a social hero. But that is really it.

I don't hate or disdain you, becuase I don't know what I would be hating. You're a user-name to me, and I'm sure the whole thing is vice versa.

I did say generally, but I will revise this statement for the second time.

Generally,a girl who is in a happy relationship won't cheat, or won't have reason to. Generally, most girls have reasons for cheating, but some do it because they can or want to, or don't give a fuck. I can't think of anything else.
I know what will happen - what you have stated. It's a shame, but I would never cheat on my girlfriend. That is my choice. Is it my choice to worry whether a girl will cheat on her boyfriend if she is single and I'm going after her? I don't think so.
There is no legal saying on this. It's not black and white. Everyone sees cheating on your own spouse to be wrong, it's black and white. Everyone is divided whether it is your fault or problem to be getting with someone else's.
I can only speak for myself and my friends (students, young North East England males between 18-20) and I can tell you that everyone loooooves to say it, but no one practices it.

A lads night out is ruined with one girl. It's like watching flies on shit.

Ditching your guy mates on a night to get with a girl? Always done.

Getting with another guy's ex after they've split up, or whilst they're together is also practised.

Just curious. How? Are you famous or something?

Surely these people would be risking their jobs to give you free stuff?

LOL I joke that I am famous, but I am just well known. I have built a lot of good relationships. That is all. I never ask for anything and always expect to pay. Just kind of happens for me. Don't know why. I do know I make sure not to ask for anything.

Some people are willing to give me their beneficial flights(I know a few people who work for airlines).

Drinks well, those just happen. Bartenders sometimes (I probably know over 25 bartenders), sometimes it is just someone, I know at least 5 bar owners, few 5 star restaurant managers, sometimes it is someone who knows me who just wants to buy me a drink.

As far as the trips I just get invited. They tell me just bring spending cash.

Concerts and clubs, well those I know a lot of the venue personnel. Doormen, security, the Sound man at a few, venue owners.

I know a lot of people in short. I have a lot of friends. I have built a lot of great relationships. Plugged in as they say.

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Id like to believe that its not the PUA's problem because women are conscious free will beings but humans overestimate how smart and conscious they believe to be. To not be controlled by subconscious animalistic instincts and thoughts would be quite a lie.
To leave the argument simple we can say a women has free will to have sex.

We could also go very deep into psychological ideas of free will arousal, motivation, emotion, etc but the depth of argument needed for that would leave us in subjective abstractness without a clear answer and only opinions.

we could also say that many girls seem intially uninterested espcially the ones we are shooting for, whats difference between them saying they have a bf and that they are not interested. Arguing she has a boyfriend is just like any other excuse she makes up that PUA's have to plow through...except for their is a guy getting potential blowblack from this.

There's arguments for and against banging her ranging from ur hurting the guy, ur hurting her, its his fault, its her fault, who cares, why is fucking some girl a big deal since monogamy is a social construct, humans are programmed to be both monogamus and polygamus, the list goes on.

The end result, no matter how we argue here whether on psychological, philisophical, or moral grounds we will be left with no clear answer.

Go by whatever rules that you believe are correct

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You can never really know if a girl is telling you she has a boyfriend because she does or because she has a shield up.

If you are gaming well then it is more likely that you are never even alerted to the boyfriends existence. Most cheats are accidental.

If you accidentally or intentionally sleep with someone who is in a committed relationship this isn't really your problem. They are in a committed relationship because THEY made a commitment. Then THEY broke that commitment.

My policy is that I only attempt to ATTRACT women that I confirm have boyfriends; I don't go past attract. If her current boyfriend is an ass or abusive I don't justify cheating I just let her continue to have bad taste. She is clearly not worth the drama.

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How can one accidentally cheat? That is saying one can accidentally get wasted.
Why be a tease? If you are are going to game such girls either go all the way or don't do it lol. Whats the point of going half way? Whats the fun in that?

Your right.
Actually there is legal saying on this:

http://www.icsworld.com/papers_and_pres ... sions.aspx

And various states still have cheating laws still on the books, tho they are rarely enforced today. As far as where the blame goes I would think it falls on the one that did the cheating, not on the person the partner cheated with.

Hence the smiley face. The actual practice of it died some time ago. People throw out ethics for their own self serving goals.

i meant the PUA is unaware. sorry for the lack of clarification.

I tease because even though i don't wanna close I still need work on the attraction phase of my game.

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Ah okay.