I dont understand your point fin but thanks for advice, appreciate it.

This is a little offtopic but.... at least it's fun debating about this stuff:)

I wasnt talking about pet analogy. You misunderstood me totaly.
I'm not a fucking hitler:)
And I'm not a control freak or anything like that. Or totaly insensitive egoistic selfish dictator like some thinks that I am ahahahahahahaha

I was talking about being a selector and being a guy who gets what he wants.
If you look at the 90% of relationships that work. (healthy relationships) You'll see that one of the partners is dominanat. So he/she has the last word.
So why wouldnt you be that guy.

I'm always doing 50:50 with girls. And I always give EXACTLY THE SAME amount of energy/time/money as she gives me. So it's always fair. No exploitation or whatever negative things you were thinking about. So I'm her pet as she is mine.

BUT!!! I dont make compromises with most of the things. If she isnt willing to put as much energy in me as I want her to...she's gone.
If she isnt fucking as good as I want her to.....she is gone.
If she isnt as smart as I want her to....she's gone.
I'm the selector not her. And the stronger frame always wins.

About the second point...I know 10's are pleasant people... I'm dating one.
I was talking about when you first met them.
Maybe scotland is so cool that 10's are nice but in most of the world they arent at least until you break up that bitch shield.
If that would be so, AFC would be dating 10's all the time.

This is a Great Discussion. ON one end we have Kasabi who insists that the girl makes the choice of what is good for her and whats not and you do not have the expertise or have any license to tell her what is good for her.

And on the other end Fin and Rafiel Gamble comment that one should act responsibly and even if you have an iota of doubt that the girl is probably feeling pressured or may have a buyer's remorse than you should back off.

I have to say that I am with Rafiel and Fin on this one.

kasabi wrote:
Who do you think you are?

You're not the girl's shrink, you're not her daddy, you're not her guru. You're the guy swinging his boner back and forth from her face, telling her, "You like that? Yeah . . . Look how pretty you are . . ." You're there to get your dick sucked. Attempting to "treat" her is the violation here. Who made you the diagnostics expert? What makes you think she "wants it", "doesn't want it", "might want it", "could want it", "should want it", "shouldn't want it", "little bit wants it", "maybe if I tickle her clit, will want it". Look, SHE IS ON HER KNEES SUCKING COCK. Sit back and relax. Stroke her hair a bit. Offer some gentle words of encouragement . . .

Just be a good you.

On the other hand, if you want to "treat" girls, go get yourself an education in psychology and set up shop. . .


Eg. 1) If a 40yr old Uncle is getting his dick sucked by a 19 yr old niece you are saying he should think "Its Okay she would tell me if she doesn't want to go through with it, she is rational and can make that choice". But what about the fact that may be she is doing it because she fears humiliation from family, may she she thinks that she wouldn't be supported or trusted by others if she raises figure on this Uncle who probably is an Autority figure in the House.

Eg. 2) What about a woman who has to sleep with her boss so that she can keep her job and pay house rent and raise her two kids. Is the boss supposed to think "ITs Okay because she would have objected if she didn't want to have sex with me "

Eg. 3) What about now gaming a married woman whoes husband is fighting for the country. Is a PUA suppose game her and think " Its OKay to fuck her and make her cum tick-tak because I'm doing a service to her while her husband is away fighting for my country. Because if she is rational and she would have said no if she didn't want to sleep with me. Who cares about the husband and how he feels, who cares about their relationship getting wrecked, its not my problem !!"

Kasabi are you saying that One needs Phd in phychology to figure out that they may be taking advantage of someone who is vulnerable, someone who is SHARING SEX because they feel OBLIGATED or someone who is emotionally disturbed at this point. Its not about Morals or Ethics, not about being a shrink but are we SOO programed as Robots that we can't sense or feel that someone may be vulnerable, that someone may be suffering from Low Self Esteem or someone is emotionally distrubed and hence we too own the responsibility of our actions and not go through with it (in this case SHARE SEX, in your words) !!!

marc,

In my initial reply, I wrote something to the effect of, "Be the best person you can be . . . "

Being a 40 year old molester . . . (Does this sound like he is being the best person he can be?)

Sneaking around and targeting lonely married women . . . (Does this sound like the "best" you can be?)

We're not at "opposite ends". We're very close. We're trying to do some good in the World right? But at the same time, I'd have to say that the philosophy that drive us are at opposite ends. Most of the posters hold a "missionary" philosophy. They "feel" they know what's good for another and then they PUSH, PULL, YANK others towards what they feel is right.

How about just letting them be? How about just allowing them to govern their own souls? You don't fuck a girl FOR her just as you don't pull your pants up FOR her. You do either of these things for YOURSELF.

.... it boils down to how THEY (PUA) feels about themselves IF the woman feels bad.

Try going to your local Dog Kennel and finding a Golden Retriever, they look pretty, .......(and if you let them they will go for your crotch now and again.)

.... Also, did you know the average Scottish adult consumes the equivalent of 46 bottles of vodka a year according to a new report :O