This thread got stupid.

I'm sorry if I', harsh, and if I misspell words (I'm dreunk now).

Stop worrying about jerks and mean guys and go out!!!!

Go out and aproiach you little bastards!!!

I love about jerks that they dont care about the stuff that other people think, why should you? a bunch of unknown douchebags cant mess with me!!!

Today I had a lot of fun, why? cause I had the balls to go and get what I wanted.

If thats that jerks do, then I'm one fucking jerk.

But dont get me wrong, I was super nice alll the way, I didnt insulted anyone (at least not seriously).

Dudes, seriously, stop posting and thinking...fucking go OUT!!!

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"[Cool is] a heavily manipulative corporate ethos. ”
Kalle Lasn

"Motherfuckers best belive in....That you are fucking with the best" - 3oh!3

Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

I agree about the going out. Just wish i could. I post from work when i have nothing to do. They dont let me leave when i have nothing to do "just in case something comes up" and also its usually the middle of the night like right now its 4:30am so i doubt there are many places i can go right now. But yeah jerks dont bother me. They are too easy to mess with and are no threat to me. But just remember not everyone has the same skills as you Mr.Amador. Thats why this was posted in the newbie section. Because newbies need advice about this kind of thing. Also this whole community is based on the idea of people communicateing there succes and failure and helping out other people become succesful. Not to mention most of the people who founded the community spent alot of time AFTER going out reflecting, disecting, and analyzing everything for everyones benefit. So if we didnt post then this place wouldnt exist.

Skankin

If your starting out you need to realize that the material is just a tool to help you...your not reading scriptures...there is no need to live accordingly...don't let it get in the way of being a good person...

What many people do is they treat the material like the scriptures and let it control there life...creating this character that they try to never brake...those resulting in an asshole...

Skanskin, I was drunk, but I belive this is not the newbie section.

Pepsi wanted to get some ideas on this, because he thought that guys that were good with women were assholes always.

He asked if pick up made any of us crueler, and there are some quite satisfactory answers.

I could tell someone anything, teach him every fucking technique in the world and still he wont be better.

We can only open doors... I hope someone crosses them every once in a while.

The original Pepsi's question was answered. Now is time to meditate and think on that.

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"[Cool is] a heavily manipulative corporate ethos. ”
Kalle Lasn

"Motherfuckers best belive in....That you are fucking with the best" - 3oh!3

Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

Wow, kasabi that online insult hurt a lot... I didn't start this thread to complain, I started this thread to have a conversation on why guys when they first start pickup got crueler. I didn't come here because I was personally hurt. I was interested in why people become assholes.
When did I ever say say anything you just mentioned? I never said that my "feelings were hurt" or that they didn't want to be my friend. Also, in one of my posts I said that being nice in a good way is being empathetic but not being a pushover. What you are suggesting is sucking up to AMOG's which is TOTALLY AGAINST WHAT EVERY PUA SAYS. Maybe you suck dick to get guys to like you but most people just ignore them or do another strategy. Not only is this totally irrelevant to the thread and what I posted but what you said totally goes against the whole community philosophy.
Once again totally irrelevant to any of my posts. I never talked about fucking up other people's vibes or ruining other people's times. Also, by doing what you describe you make yourself look really low-value by arguing and making fun of someone that's pissing you off. Just like you're doing right now.
Did you even bother reading the whole post? It's pointless to anyone in achieving any sort of positive goal. You aren't doing anything to a chick so it makes no difference to your game and it only makes other guys dislike you. Kind of like you chewing me out for absolutely no reason besides making you look like an internet bad ass.
First thing is that you are quoting me completely out of context in relation to all my other posts. You didn't even bother looking at the thread. Of course, I didn't mean ALL guys as its easy to tell from my other posts. As made obvious I mean guys who are beginning game. You are right in pointing out my over-generalization. But once again, you're making up problems that I never described.

Kasabi, In general this random personal attack only helps to illustrate a point. By coming out of the blue and attacking me for no reason other then to make yourself look different on the internet you come across as an asshole. But you want being an asshole to fit your online persona so people will say "Oh kasabi, you're so mean". But you're not mean, you're just a pathetic guy with a huge post count. And since, he can't even learn about picking up girls from a website that's all about improving yourself, he tries to tear everyone down with sarcasm and insults. You describe yourself perfectly kasabi,
You are whiny little wuss who is fucking up a good time by insulting totally innocuous posters. You are hellbent on ruining the vibe by being such an insecure little wuss that you somehow find the need to fuck up a positive, constructive thread.

Now fellow PUA's, if I did not respond to his post I would've seemed like a pushover from taking such direct insulting accusations. So I responded in a way that took his stupid, unsupported arguments head on. He is a perfect example of someone who tries to ruin the vibe and a good night. In real life a smarter way might be to not respond. But on the internet you can say what you really think. And unfortunately, kasabi is a passive-aggressive little shit.

So in the end kasabi, thanks for being such a great example of an asshole and as well, thanks for fucking up the night .

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If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name in a Swiss bank. - Woody Allen

Why do you waste time fighting and arguing online?

I post here because I've always felt a calling to be a person committed to help others, I've traveled around the world to help poor communities, volunteer stuff. And also to kill some time until classes start again.

The only question I want to ask you guys is Why do you write here?

I have a purpose behind almost everyone of my actions.

Why picking on guys on this forum, even if they are hopelessly wrong about everything?

If you cant learn from doing something, why would you do it?

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"[Cool is] a heavily manipulative corporate ethos. ”
Kalle Lasn

"Motherfuckers best belive in....That you are fucking with the best" - 3oh!3

Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

If you didn't, you may have been seen by a few as a push-over or maybe not, but now you've antagonized another poster to the point that he will almost definitely respond in kind. We've all been guilty of flaming other posters who criticize us, but it really accomplishes nothing but settles our own ego. I agree that kasabi was unnecessarily cruel to you, but responding in kind does nothing but increase the hatred.

pepsi,

I was wondering when and how you'd respond. After your initial post, I was thinking 10 to 1 odds that you're the asshole of the group. After your last reply, I'm taking 99 to 1. Ohhhh. . . on line criticism hurt your little wee wee heart? LOL . . .

Self Improvement: Unless you take my advice about taking a good look at the mirror, you you will always face the World with a big target drawn on your forehead that reads, "Pick on me."

By the way, if you're a 12 year old, I apologize but you probably shouldn't be on this forum any ways. And if you're a 22 year old, I'd think you skipped out on 10 years of psychological growth.

That was my first flame post since joining the forum. But I was so surprised by kasabi's attack because I never asked for advice on dealing with assholes but he keeps insisting on giving it. All I did was open a topic up for discussion and he personally attacked me on a post that was not personal at all. I don't have any personal problems with assholes. I'm just recognizing them as what they are: assholes. I just can't understand what kasabi's motives are for keeping on screaming irrelevant and unasked for advice at me.

But I did respond badly and I'm here for the same reasons as Mr. Amador. To help other people and help myself. And for the reason of this thread? To disscuss why assholes do what they do and not anything else.

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If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name in a Swiss bank. - Woody Allen

like the battle of egos, kiss and make up ? i thought the reason we are here is coz we were all useless with women at sum point, or still are as in my case. we are supposed to help eachother no ?

back on the topic ever since i have started reading and applying, i have found that some if not a lot of my respones have been becoming a bit jerky, and i been becoming a bit selfish. went from caring a lot to not giving a flying fuk. as someone else said massive opposites to try out both edges of the spectrum. and i woke up one day and started to feel i am not sure who i am, and do not like what im becoming. someone said about loosing friends it started happening to me too, some damage has been to great to repair unfortunately.

mador, love drunken posts lol

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if i have miss-spelled something its not because im stupid its because i cant be bothered to spell stuff properly while trying to type as fast as humanly possible

Pepsi and kasabis bickering was as stupid as it was funny. Thanks guys. One guy posted a LR where he acted like a complete asshole. It can work, as long as it is unapologetically you. I posted a thread where a girl called me a nice guy and I foolishly acted sort of offended because I did not want to be a nice guy. I wanted to be "sort of an asshole." But you know what, I am a nice guy, oh sure I can be an asshole at times but basically I am a nice guy. Look Tucker Max, no matter what you think of him, is an MPUA of the first order. Even if you don't exactly agree with how he lives his life, the guy appears to be completely comfortable with who he is and that is what is most important. If you are one hundred percent okay with being an asshole, than you will be fine and the same thing goes for being a nice guy. Oh and Pepsi, this was a good topic and thank you for bringing it up.

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Call me Sly.
My goal: To become a Pickup Artist in everything but name.

And yeah, This is (still) just the beginning.

I used to love drunken posts..until my ex got angry because of a couple drunken "come and fuck me" post that some crazy girl wrote...

So, now I try to be careful about the people that I add on social networks...and I have a really complicated drunk-proof password on my facebook, to prevent embarrasing moments.

Drunk posting is the best way to act like an asshole

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"[Cool is] a heavily manipulative corporate ethos. ”
Kalle Lasn

"Motherfuckers best belive in....That you are fucking with the best" - 3oh!3

Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

Good points domalo and Slie. At least to new people I used to generally come accross as concientious, caring and perhaps too sensitive. Since reading the game I'm presenting myself with a more of a Gung Ho attitude. Its certainly getting me more attention but sometimes I can seem a little too abnoxious. For example sometimes my Negs sometimes come across as insults or shit tests rather than actual Negs. In that way I could be described as an arsehole. However, I'm expecting this to iron itself out with time and experience.

1. You do have personal problems with what you call "assholes". Otherwise, you would never have begun a thread that labels ALL "Guys who do well with girls are total dicks".

2. You want to point fingers at "assholes" but don't seem to understand at all that "assholes and their monkey acts" cannot exist without easy targets and motivation to frame their behavior. What I demonstrated with my initial reply on this thread was that 1. You are an easy target. 2. You motivate assholes. (So who really is the asshole? The guys who treat you badly or you, one who actively marks an X on your own forehead and encourages others to pick on you?)

3. You want to discuss "ONLY WHAT THEY DO" because you want to believe that negative dynamics of a room, or a forum for that matter, has little to do with your own behavior, which I am assuming you believe to be quite neutral. This would be a wrong self assessment as you have recently admitted with your own words that you "replied badly". This is your habitual behavior cycle = 1. Perception of wrong doing to you. 2. "Reply badly". 3. Receive "asshole behavior".

If you can't "hold your tongue" with written words on an anonymous forum where you have all the time in the World to think and ponder, what chances to do you have in a social situation where people converse freely?

And I don't "flame" on this board. I don't pick insults out of the sky. (as you did in your reply . . . ) But I do sometimes press some buttons to see if my hunches are correct. In this case, I'm quite certain I was on mark.

Anyhow, this is my assessment of your situation. You say you don't want/need any advice so I won't give any.